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Box Joints?

Discussion in 'Box Makers' started by Bigg081, Jan 23, 2019.

  1. Bigg081

    Bigg081 Connoisseur of Man Glitter Full Member Thread Starter

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    What's y'alls opinion on box joints?
    Like I've said before I have never made a box. And I've always struggled with any sort of miter joint. Probably because I've always relied on the angle adjustment of the tablesaw to be correct. I bought a box joint jig to at least get me started making some quality boxes.
    Do you feel that they do not produce and aesthetically pleasing box? Any other recommendations would be great.
     
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    Brink There's nothing to see here Founding Member Full Member

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    For small boxes, I like them.
    Bigger boxes get dovetails
     
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    I’m partial to a miter joint with splines but as Brink said, small boxes look good with box joints. Just my opinion.
     
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    Mike1950 Founding Member Founding Member Full Member

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    box joints are nice. I prefer miter joints on most boxes I make
     
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    Bigg081 Connoisseur of Man Glitter Full Member Thread Starter

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    I’m agreeing with everything I’m reading. I know I need to learn how to do a miter joint better.
     
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    Sprung Amateur Sawdust Maker Full Member

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    I think they look nice on smaller boxes and items. Especially if sized appropriately for the thickness of stock and size of box you're making.

    Something that has paid major dividends on the table saws I've owned is to take the time to go through the saw and make sure everything is aligned properly. Don't assume any tool you purchase, even brand new, is perfectly set up and aligned from the factory - I've only had one machine that came from the factory aligned and required no adjustment (my Jet 1221VS). For the table saw align blade to miter slots and fence to blade (and it's easy enough to align the fence to the miter slots instead if you've already got the miter slots aligned to the blade). Shouldn't take more than an hour, two tops, to make sure everything is aligned. From personal experience, if it's not properly aligned and you try to set up and align a sled for use on the table saw (such as you would if you're using it to cut box joints), you will be eternally frustrated when things end up out of square - and your efforts to get your sled dialed in square prove futile. I had a crosscut sled that I spent a couple hours making once that I had to scrap because I never could get it square and ended up trashing it too much and losing the zero clearance effect on it. After a couple frustrating hours trying to square it up, I rechecked my saw's alignment (I had just aligned it before making the sled) - I bumped it 0.010 out of alignment when I must've accidentally bumped something while tightening bolts down. Realigned and then made a quick sled to test and all was well. If I had only double checked my alignment after tightening everything down, I could've saved myself two hours of frustration plus the cost of wasted materials on the sled and the loss also of the two hours I spent building it.
     
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    Mike1950 Founding Member Founding Member Full Member

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    To add though- it really depends on what you want for finished look- what Kind of box are you going to make. personally having made many boxes- there is NO right way- just your way.
     
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    Matt is right you need the right thickness of stock. look clunky if too thick and flimsy if too thin.

    Table saw-Miters- box sides- no way for me. all on miter saw. and as far as adjustments- I hate working on equipment- I go to shop to make sawdust. My miter saw is used and Highly abused. Used it in Biz to cut cultured stone product with masonary blade. Definitely no on recommended use list. does it cut perfect miters-no way- it might but the wood is not perfect. I shim and play with them and in the end they look perfect but I promise you- They Aint!!
     
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    I made several boxes to hold children's toy block sets last year and I used box joints made on a router table. These sold well on Etsy.

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    I like miter joints on the boxes I make, but I have not made very many. Recently I read an article about making miter joints on a CNC machine using a 90 degree v-bit. I know most don't have a CNC, but I think this can also be done on a router table with a 90 degree v-bit.
     
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    It can- I make these legs that way on router

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    I prefer to cut my miters on the table saw. I made a dedicated 45 degree sled and it does a pretty good job.
     
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    Pictures? On something this tall 5"?

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    Awesome boxes mike. Love the look of the cove.
    Yes, any size will work. It’s nothing more then a table saw sled with a 45 degree curf in it. Put a stop on the sled fence and cut as many box sides as I need. Blade is tilted at a 45 degree of course. lol. A hair off and.....well you know.
     
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    I absolutely have no luck with that method. Made a lot of firewood trying.
     
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    Just make a shooting board
     
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    Why?
     
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    Then you don’t have to mess with trying to get saws set up
     
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    Something like this.
    (Not my pic, got it off google)

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    But i dont mess with them. Do 10 or 15 at a time. My shoulder would scream you dumb SOB i am going to teach you a lesson yall's not going to forget before I even hand miter sawed half of them let alone hand planed and jointed the parts. I like tools that require hand work just like you. But mine , hand pushes button tool does work.
     
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