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Have you ever worked on a woodworking project that required you to incorporate elements of someone's cultural heritage?
If so, how did you infuse them into your design?


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I have not. I have considered off and on to make a large hanging box to display my wife's Mom's wedding kimono. But the only cultural thing would be the kimono, the display would just be a big hanging box with a plexiglas front. But we don't have a wall large enough to hang it on.
 

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The basket illusion pieces I've made are definitely incorporating someone's cultural heritage, but I've not made any for those whose cultural heritage/art/symbolism I'm using.

When I do make these pieces, I'm always careful to include as full attribution as possible. In most cases that has only been to specific Nation/tribe. A few I've made were using design elements from specific artist's pieces and I've included the name where known on the inscription.

There are some out "there" that call this cultural appropriation, and I call BS on all those people. Getting close to politics, so I'll stop with that.
 

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The basket illusion pieces I've made are definitely incorporating someone's cultural heritage, but I've not made any for those whose cultural heritage/art/symbolism I'm using.

When I do make these pieces, I'm always careful to include as full attribution as possible. In most cases that has only been to specific Nation/tribe. A few I've made were using design elements from specific artist's pieces and I've included the name where known on the inscription.

There are some out "there" that call this cultural appropriation, and I call BS on all those people. Getting close to politics, so I'll stop with that.
Tim @trc65 , there is a difference between cultural appreciation and cultural appropriation. What you do IMHO is entirely cultural appreciation, paying homage and respect to it’s rightful cultural heritage and giving credit where credit is due in your post.
 
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Jon ( @Jonkou ) has made some beautiful umekes, which are ceremonial Hawaiian poi cups. And Don and his apprentice make those gorgeous paddles based on traditional Hawaiian design.
 

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The basket illusion pieces I've made are definitely incorporating someone's cultural heritage, but I've not made any for those whose cultural heritage/art/symbolism I'm using.

When I do make these pieces, I'm always careful to include as full attribution as possible. In most cases that has only been to specific Nation/tribe. A few I've made were using design elements from specific artist's pieces and I've included the name where known on the inscription.

There are some out "there" that call this cultural appropriation, and I call BS on all those people. Getting close to politics, so I'll stop with that.

Tim @trc65 , there is a difference between cultural appreciation and cultural appropriation. What you do IMHO is entirely cultural appreciation, paying homage and respect to it’s rightful cultural heritage and giving credit where credit is due in your post.
just another reason to be mad and to whine about someone else's efforts. life is too short for stupid and our world has become full of it.
 

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I did not make it but one Christmas I traded for 5 bedons. Cajun box to carry ducks in is what I was told. They were a hit. Kathie has 2 of them.

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just another reason to be mad and to whine about someone else's efforts. life is too short for stupid and our world has become full of it.
Tim’s @trc65 work is beyond effort- max effort in my book with him pouring his heart, love and soul to engage with capturing the whole essence of what he has in his hands at the moment. True dedication to the art form for art sakes- I find that rare in my book. Don’t get me wrong there is a whole mess of you here who dictates their own “art truth” and I find it a shame that all the “art form” goodness that lives in the forum will not rightfully get the attention it truly deserves for the whole wide world to appreciate. I was at the museum the other day and I heard someone talking out loud saying, “ I would love to have that in my collection”. Art is never meant to be in-prisoned in someone’s domain. You can be the steward of it, but sooner or later you have to let go of the leash and have others enjoy it and a broader audience enjoy the life of it.

Those who will argue with what he (or anybody) is presenting or representing to the world and don’t have anything good to say, it is just pure “jealousy” (imho) or have some kind of mo that takes out the relevance of what is actually being portrayed.
 

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Tim’s @trc65 work is beyond effort- max effort in my book with him pouring his heart, love and soul to engage with capturing the whole essence of what he has in his hands at the moment. True dedication to the art form for art sakes- I find that rare in my book. Don’t get me wrong there is a whole mess of you here who dictates their own “art truth” and I find it a shame that all the “art form” goodness that lives in the forum will not rightfully get the attention it truly deserves for the whole wide world to appreciate. I was at the museum the other day and I heard someone talking out loud saying, “ I would love to have that in my collection”. Art is never meant to be in-prisoned in someone’s domain. You can be the steward of it, but sooner or later you have to let go of the leash and have others enjoy it and a broader audience enjoy the life of it.

Those who will argue with what he (or anybody) is presenting or representing to the world and don’t have anything good to say, it is just pure “jealousy” (imho) or have some kind of mo that takes out the relevance of what is actually being portrayed.
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Jon ( @Jonkou ) has made some beautiful umekes, which are ceremonial Hawaiian poi cups.
Thanks Doug, it’s a matter of perspective. Lived in Hawaii half my life, it’s where I learned how to turn and my wife is half Hawaiian so it is my adopted culture. The Umeke’s are not my design and each one I make is done to the best of my ability as a deliberate tribute to the Hawaiian culture and the Ancient Craftsmen that made them. That said, there is a very strong influence of the calabash form in most of My designs, featuring round bottoms, flowing curves and showing off the attributes of the wood.
 

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In Samoa when we lived there, the kava ceremony was a special treat when visitors came to a village. I hope I am remembering this correctly, but there was only one or two people who were allowed to prepare the kava - I think it was the high chief's daughter or maybe a designated princess in the village. She was the only one who handled the large kava bowl and strained the water through the pounded kava root. I think she served the kava in half coconut shells starting with the high chief, then the highest ranking male visitor (rank could be age, whoever was leading the group of visitors, etc), then the second chief, etc. I know kids weren't served kava and I don't think women drank kava either, but I could be wrong, I was only in 5th and 6th grade then. The kava bowl was a very protected thing, made from monkey pod and usually about 20 - 24" diameter, 6-8"deep and it stood on many legs that surrounded the outer perimeter.
 
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My FIL started flights to the islands when continental airlines got the route. He had lots of stories and got many gifts from natives. I will add pictures here later today.
 

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My FIL started flights to the islands when continental airlines got the route. He had lots of stories and got many gifts from natives. I will add pictures here later today.
I remember we flew Pan American the first time to Samoa and Braniff the other times. Neither are still in operation.
 

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Dave island hopped for a couple decades. Talked of natives a lot. They wrote about him. He connected them to outside world . Natives gave him gifts. Last pic is a retirement gift. His story board. Have a couple lamps downstairs. Need appropriate shades.

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Dave island hopped for a couple decades. Talked of natives a lot. They wrote about him. He connected them to outside world . Natives gave him gifts. Last pic is a retirement gift. His story board. Have a couple lamps downstairs. Need appropriate shades.

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Amazing @Mike1950! That panel low relief carving is truly an epic narrative and honorable tribute. That is the stuff that is memorable, meaningful and to be stewards of it is good stuff. I hope one day it makes it to a rightful museum to a proper exhibit display.
 
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