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Black Locust Basket Illusion Series

A note on using the laser. I didn't try laying anything out yet but I did verify that my lines are all straight. :wink: the laser I got is a little thick, but can easily use one edge of the line for marking. It also has mag mounts and a tripod mount (1/4 20 threads). Should be easy to make an overhead mount so I can turn it on then hold the piece with one hand and draw with the other.
The tripod mount is the same thread as a camera tripod with a threaded mount. Have bought 3 camera tripods to outfit our work trucks for our laser line makers. We have the super deluxe 400 plus dollar bosch unit that doesn't come with a tripod. Look a little out of place on those 3 dollar second hand store tripods, but they sure work well.
Multi angle adjustment has served me well when lining out handrail down a set of steps without making 25 marks on a freshly painted wall. Those heads tilt and swivel making them especially useful if you have a single plane unit or need an unusual angle lined out. The tripod would allow you to remount the hf on your lathe and line up with your center line using a modified jam chuck and a thin piece of something sleeved over your live center.
 
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The first one is done and posted in the Finished Turning forum.

Here is a picture of the forms I have turned so far. The short one in front will be the next. It's about the same diameter as what I just finished but perspective makes it look larger.

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Here is the next one. Think I've got a design figured out and I'll start burning on it tomorrow night. Averages a little over 5" diameter and slightly over 2" tall.

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A teaser for the next one. I'm really like working on these small forms, can get them done in about 1/3 the time of bowls or platters.

This one is going to be much closer to one of Dat So La Lee's designs than the others.

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I'm not going to do progress pics and bore everybody, but really happy the way this pattern developed, so had to show another pic.

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Another little teaser. Similar shapes as the last, but a different orientation. Dat So La Lee often used these triangle/pointy shapes in her designs, but with many different orientations or combinations.

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I like the shape of that "flat" one. And those last designs remind of "bear claw" symbols often seen in indigenous art.
 
I'm not going to do progress pics and bore everybody, but really happy the way this pattern developed, so had to show another pic.

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We aren’t bored at all. Let’s see progress pix! I didn’t realize you don’t do all the vertical lines before coloring. Thought those were done by indexing on the lathe. I know so little about this process.
 
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I like the shape of that "flat" one. And those last designs remind of "bear claw" symbols often seen in indigenous art.
With the squat bottomed one was going for an old or antique shape. Kind of reminds me of old pottery shapes I've seen.

Wasn't thinking bear claw until you mentioned it, then it was obvious. I don't what Dat So La Lee intended with her designs, none of them were named, rather she numbered her designs. While she relied heavily on her history and historic design elements, her designs were more "modern" for her time and my take is elements were used for artistic rather symbolic reasons. I'm certainly not expert on this though, so I may be entirely wrong.

Her life and career as a weaver came at a transition time in the early 20th century when Native American basketry was being collected and sold in galleries.

I'll show some more pictures of her work and the specific design that I'm adapting.
 
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We aren’t bored at all. Let’s see progress pix! I didn’t realize you don’t do all the vertical lines before coloring. Thought those were done by indexing on the lathe. I know so little about this process.
Thanks Alan. A few years ago I did a few tutorials and some "follow along" threads, but forget that as new people join WB they may not have seen those. I'll post some more pics and explain my process which is a bit different from others who do similar work.
 
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Here are some of her baskets where similar designs were used. Common to all of these is the thin "triangles".

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The basket below is the inspiration for the current basket. You can see how I've adapted the design to fit on the small forms I'm making. I've narrowed the design a little and cut down one row in height. I'm pushing the envelope a little on the size of the design compared to the form, so we'll see how it turns out.

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Ok, here are some pics showing how I do these. Everybody does these a little different, and I'll try to point that out as I talk about my process.

After turning and beading, the first thing is to establish a base line (radial line) to measure off of for the design. Many draw the radial line(s) using an index plate on the lathe. I've only done that once. The reason I don't draw radial lines on the lathe is two fold. First, I don't come up with a design and then turn a form to draw it on, rather I try to always have a couple of turned and beaded forms laying around so when I get an idea I can grab a form and start. Second, in Native American lore, odd numbers are more highly regarded. If I can, I typically use an odd number of elements in most designs. I know it is easy to make a index plate with odd numbers, just never bothered.

I typically just randomly draw a radial line and go from there. Relatively simple on a bowl or platter as a radial line is a strait line from the center to any point on the rim. I use a plastic ruler that has been cut in half lengthwise to lessen the impact of drawing a curved line on a bowl with compound curves (radial and tangential). On these hollow forms that's a little tougher as the tangential curve is much tighter and it's easier to get error. Starting with the current form, I did pop it back on the lathe to draw a single radial line. I'll probably do that in the future to simplify things.

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From there, I don't measure, rather I use a compass/divider with needle points to divide the circumference into the divisions I need. On these, I mark points at the top, middle and bottom, then connect them.

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This is my favorite divider, a classic made in the US, Vemco.

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With the radial line, I use the divider to establish endpoints off the center. In the past, I would mark those lines with a pencil and the burn, but on some woods the pencil lines are hard to erase and remain visible.

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It looks very awkward, but really isn't. I use the divider in my left hand and the burning tip in my right and it goes much more quickly than making pencil marks and coming back to burn. It's also more accurate due to the thick width of the pencil line.

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After outlining the area to be inked, I then go back and fill in the burn lines before coloring. Some people color before burning as they say the tip of the ink marker lasts longer. Maybe a little, but the fine tip on these markers doesn't last long either way. I also prefer the look of inking over the burn lines vs burning after inking.

For scale, this colored element is 1.25" wide by 1" high. The tips of the triangles are under 1/32".

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One interesting thing to note is how the design changes a little bit due to the diameter and curvature. The size of the various elements remains the same, but the angle/spacing of elements (particularly tall elements) get closer together as the diameter decreases.

One other thing to keep in mind is the burn lines in the pic below are less than 1/32" apart. Somewhere between 1/36-1/38" apart. The below image approximates what I see with the magnifiers on. At times it looks very rough, but when you look at it at arms length you don't see all the tiny little "rough spots".

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Here is where I'm at after tonight's session. Two of the five columns of red are done.

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If anyone has any questions or comments, fire away. There are lots of little tips and tricks I can share if anyone wants to have a go trying this style of basket illusion.
 
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Here's the total pattern. 5 columns of 3 red symbols with a column of 2 black symbols dividing each. I won't show any more progress pics as it's just the same thing repeated.

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