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Cocobolo - but not cocobolo!

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An update to the maybe cocobolo pieces.. I have taken a slightly clearer photo of the side grain. It does appear to be rift sawn.
Comparing to hobbit house, the end grain and side grain look (to me) pretty similar to D. monticola. The dark streaks on the side grain are less pronounced in what I have relative to whats on the site. I've added the pics of the sanded side grain and re added the end grain as well as the pic from hobbit house.
Other than that, I think its a fairly good match. Any thoughts?

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Further update - after more reading, researching, discussing with others, comparing end grains (this has been driving me crazy!!) I think I have a final ID.
Not D. monticola.. I am pretty sure from what I have looked at, this is a Zolleria species.. probably glabra as that is one of the only red/orange woods in that genus. Who knows how common it is to see glabra in the market.. I never have, and can't find much on it bar another experience wood guy confirming from my end grain pics.
Irregardless, I will probably move these blanks on. Its a cool wood, but there are other woods I would rather take up the space with.
 
I have Blackheart and the end grain looks very similar. However, in my blackheart the bands and pores are tiny. Yours looked bigger but without a scale, could not say.
 
Mr. Peet said:
I have Blackheart and the end grain looks very similar. However, in my blackheart the bands and pores are tiny. Yours looked bigger but without a scale, could not say.
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That was the sticking point with most dalbergia - the pores are too large compared to James' piece. I had mentioned blackheart at one point in a convo with him today due to the fact that it has smaller pores with similar banding. An Italian guy in one of the wood ID Facebook groups is the one who mentioned Zollernia Glabra. I can find no photos of the species and no details are available on wood database, hobbit house, or inside wood. A Google search turns up the common name 'Mucitaibra', but searching that also turns up no photos. Have you heard of this at all?
 
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Mr. Peet said:
I have Blackheart and the end grain looks very similar. However, in my blackheart the bands and pores are tiny. Yours looked bigger but without a scale, could not say.
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As Ryan says, this was the issue with Dalbergia.. the pores are really small. I have an image here I took through my 30x magnifier. The scale is 3mm side to side, so you can see the pores are really quite small. Small enough you almost can't see them if you stare at the piece further away than a few inches.

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Big Ry said:
That was the sticking point with most dalbergia - the pores are too large compared to James' piece. I had mentioned blackheart at one point in a convo with him today due to the fact that it has smaller pores with similar banding. An Italian guy in one of the wood ID Facebook groups is the one who mentioned Zollernia Glabra. I can find no photos of the species and no details are available on wood database, hobbit house, or inside wood. A Google search turns up the common name 'Mucitaibra', but searching that also turns up no photos. Have you heard of this at all?
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No, I have not heard of it, but there are thousands of species I have never handled or heard of.
 
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If a cheaper species was passed off as cocobolo, that's a problem. But James also just wants to know what exactly it is that he has, which i don't blame him. It would bother me not knowing what i had.
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I know. I’m just wondering if, considering its rarity, it really is cheaper.

My comment was more rhetorical than anything else.
 
daniscool said:
I know. I’m just wondering if, considering its rarity, it really is cheaper.

My comment was more rhetorical than anything else.
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Yeah it seems probable that it's actually more valuable than cocobolo, but we would need to figure out the species and subsequently the market rate in order to determine that.

The current thought is that this is Zollernia Glabra, which is a species of Zollernia that doesn't seem to have much documentation online. We were already leaning towards Zollernia due to the similar end grain characteristics - with Zollernia being very similar to d. Monticola, just with smaller pore size. This seems to line up better with James piece than Monticola does.

The species ID of Zollernia Glabra came from a member of a wood ID group on Facebook by the name of Vincenzo. Vincenzo is from Italy and is a regular contributor to these groups. He seems to be pretty knowledgeable. According to Vincenzo, glabra looks like other Zollernia, except that it's more red/orange in color. This aligns with James piece. Vincenzo has a piece of this species and is supposed to provide photos in a few days, so hopefully that settles it. Though, due to rarity, i don't even know how you'd price glabra.
 
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daniscool said:
I know. I’m just wondering if, considering its rarity, it really is cheaper.

My comment was more rhetorical than anything else.
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Its a good question - I am honestly not entirely sure. Its a tricky question pricing of woods.
I was going to move on both blanks, but I wonder if maybe I shouldnt now..
 
Hi not sure if I understood it correctly but if the identification is still under review; I have a similar piece.

If I didn’t missed any informatie; then I would say its Azobé (ekki).
 
EZ_Orange said:
Hi not sure if I understood it correctly but if the identification is still under review; I have a similar piece.

If I didn’t missed any informatie; then I would say its Azobé (ekki).
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That could be. Didn’t think of a lophira species.
 
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