Lots of wood for trade - long version

[daveflutes]

@SA-Motors I've machined the woods that weren't already to size, photos below. All at least 18" - the ones I cut I did overlength. The guayacan has a slight inclusion, but the whole piece was pretty cracked so that's probably the best I can do. The cut faces look amazing though, and the rough plan of pucte suddenly looks beautiful too. They'll both look great as flutes or spindles.

As a bit of provenance, the Andaman padauk came from the workshop of Alan Peters, an eminent British furniture maker. I was lucky to randomly make contact with a friend and colleague of his. On the other hand, I think both the larches are from actual fenceposts

Let me know how it all looks.

Andaman padauk Pterocarpus dalbergioides	475 x 38 x 35mm	Peter Hartley
Atlas cedar Cedrus atlantica	465 x 39 x 39mm	Dalmann UK
Black olive, pucte, pukte, bullet tree, Terminalia buceras	490 x 39 x 33mm	Exotic Hardwoods UK
Gmelina Gmelina arborea	460 x 41 x 39mm	Boeng Woodworking
Guayacan partridge wood, Lidibia paraguariensis	500 x 37 x 33mm	Exotic Hardwoods UK
Horse chestnut, buckeye Aesculus hippocastanum	505 x 44 x 38mm	Rustic Wood Barn
Japanese larch Larix kaempferi	600 x 34 x 31mm	Devon Timbers
Larch European Larix decidua	600 x 32 x 32mm	Devon Timbers
Pirana pine Podocarpus spp.	500 x 46 x 40mm	Exotic Hardwoods UK

Sizes in metric as fractional inches give me a headache.




Guayacan inclusion:




Flute blanks for me!

 

[SA-Motors]

Hi @daveflutes Thanks for cutting them so quickly. They look great! I am looking forward to them. The inclusion in the guayacan is not a problem. Once I can get down to my workshop on Wednesday, I'll give you an update.

 

[Mr. Peet]

Oh my @Mr. Peet that is too bad to loose such a beautiful tree! If he's willing to cut me a fairly strait 24" long branch (about 3" diameter) I'll pay him for shipping and a little extra for the effort. I can wax it and dry it here.

I will ask her.... The tree is about 80 or so years old. I don't think any of the branches are 3".

 

[daveflutes]

@daveflutes do you have a botanical name on the Puckte wood?

Would you like a piece, or can I save you a bit? It's still in the garage so I can easily machine it.

 

[daveflutes]

Hi @daveflutes Thanks for cutting them so quickly. They look great! I am looking forward to them. The inclusion in the guayacan is not a problem. Once I can get down to my workshop on Wednesday, I'll give you an update.

Lovely thanks, and no hurry, though I'm curious what you can find!

I've been looking for an excuse to cut these big planks down to size, but they seem to take up even more room as several smaller bits. I should cut a few more spindles to have ready to offer around.

 

[Izak]

You guys are crazy, how many kinds of wood are there!

I have some:
Olive
Black Walnut
Black Locust
White Oak
English Walnut
Cherry (orchard)
Apple
Chestnut
Juniper
Chinkapin
Madrone
Yew
Teak
Myrtle
Mysquite
Ebony
Bog Oak
Maple (with a few birds eyes)
Fir
Pine
Batu
Alder

I guess I have quite a bit of wood myself now - definately collecting more than I'm using in the last decade, I'd better work on that but it's not looking too likely at this time.

 

[SA-Motors]

Hi @Izak Welcome to the club! Its fun to turn different woods. Each is different and presents its own challenges. Just curious, what is your Chinkapin? Do you know the scientific name of it? Do you happen to have enough for a spindle blank about 1.5" x 1.5" x 18"?

 

[Friedrich9]

@SA-Motors my guess would be Quercus muehlenbergii a member of the white oak family

 

[Friedrich9]

Would you like a piece, or can I save you a bit? It's still in the garage so I can easily machine it.

@daveflutes I need to see what a friend from Flordia is sending me. It may have Pucte. If it doesn’t I’d ideally want enough to glue up a small bowl blank. 6”x12” piece or even a 4”x8”. The Guayacan may be of interest also. I need to go over my master list. Every time I feel like I have time someone is calling me to fix something lol. It’ll take a closer look at your list tomorrow if the wood gods will it. I ideally look for bowl blanks. Ideally 1 piece, but if I need to glue like 2-4 pieces together it’s acceptable. I just don’t want to be gluing 30 3mm boards together. My ideal size for a bowl blank is 125-150mm diameter 50-75mm thick. But if need be I’m willing to go as small as 90-100mm diameter 35ishmm thick. I’ll try and get my master list together to look over. You may have a few more than I initially thought. I need to find a few hours of peace to look them over.

 

[Friedrich9]

You guys are crazy, how many kinds of wood are there!

I have some:
Olive
Black Walnut
Black Locust
White Oak
English Walnut
Cherry (orchard)
Apple
Chestnut
Juniper
Chinkapin
Madrone
Yew
Teak
Myrtle
Mysquite
Ebony
Bog Oak
Maple (with a few birds eyes)
Fir
Pine
Batu
Alder

I guess I have quite a bit of wood myself now - definately collecting more than I'm using in the last decade, I'd better work on that but it's not looking too likely at this time.

@Izak i know a guy that has iwcs sample boards of 7,000 species

 

[daveflutes]

@Friedrich9 I could provide pucte at 4 x 12 X 1.5" and guayacan at 6 x 12 X 1.5". Bear in mind they're both really dense so that would be about 3kg. The guayacan would have a few cracks.
I used an AI bot to compare my list to TWD - it even picked up a few spelling mistakes and old botanical names

 

[Friedrich9]

@Friedrich9 I could provide pucte at 4 x 12 X 1.5" and guayacan at 6 x 12 X 1.5". Bear in mind they're both really dense so that would be about 3kg. The guayacan would have a few cracks.
I used an AI bot to compare my list to TWD - it even picked up a few spelling mistakes and old botanical names

That’s impressive. Which AI did you use?

 

[daveflutes]

That’s impressive. Which AI did you use?

I think ChatGPT, though I also use Claude for wood data handling. The output was like this:

After comparing your complete list against the Wood Database master list, here are the woods that appear to be **NOT** in their database:

## Potentially Unique Specimens (47 found)

1. **Anthocleista grandiflora**

2. **Abelia biflora**

3. **Agathis alba** (they have other Agathis species but not alba specifically)

4. **Callitropsis nootkatensis** (they list it as Cupressus nootkatensis)

5. **Pinus halepensis** (they have Pinus halapensis - likely a spelling variant)

6. **Fava amargosa**

7. **Hydrochorea sp.**

8. **Aningeria spp.** (robusta, altissima)

9. **Allacosuarina luehmanii** (they have Allocasuarina luehmannii - spelling difference)

10. **Turraeanthus africana** (they have Turraeanthus africanus)

etc....

 

[Cloud of Sawdust Farms]

You guys are crazy, how many kinds of wood are there!

There are over 60,000 known species of trees. And we keep discovering new ones. The total number of tree species has been estimated statistically at 73,300. Here's a link to the technical paper, if anyone's curious:

PNAS

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), a peer reviewed journal of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) - an authoritative source of high-impact, original research that broadly spans the biological, physical, and social sciences.

www.pnas.org

That may not even include plants that may not count as "trees" but that sometimes produce enough wood for woodworkers to use -- like sumac, honeysuckle, cholla cactus. . .

So even that collector with 7000 species of wood still has a long way to go.

 

[Mr. Peet]

@SA-Motors my guess would be Quercus muehlenbergii a member of the white oak family

He is on the left coast, so I'd think

Castanopsis chrysophylla...​

 

[Cloud of Sawdust Farms]

He is on the left coast, so I'd think

Castanopsis chrysophylla...​

Just to make things difficult: in the Ozarks, "chinquapin" refers to Castanea ozarkensis, the endemic species of chestnut (nearly wiped out by the same blight that killed off the American chestnut, Castanea dentata). So that's at least three different species that get called "chinkapin" / "chinquapin."

And don't get me started on "bloodwood." Latin names may look annoying, but they're your friends, folks. . .

 

[SA-Motors]

Appreciate the insight guys! I’ll take a look at the technical paper, fascinating!

 

[daveflutes]

Maybe I need to contact the supplier I got my chinkapin oak from and ask them which one it actually is:/
You can add satinwoods, angelims and redhearts to the problem list! And pau rosa and gombeira and.....

 

[Cloud of Sawdust Farms]

Maybe I need to contact the supplier I got my chinkapin oak from and ask them which one it actually is:/
You can add satinwoods, angelims and redhearts to the problem list! And pau rosa and gombeira and.....

If it's chinkapin oak, it'd be Quercus muehlenbergii. The other two aren't oaks, although they're in the same family (Fagaceae). And the other two are rarely harvested for timber -- thanks to the blight, there aren't any large Ozark chestnut trees any more, although maybe you could find salvaged timber.

All three have edible nuts -- most acorns are bitter unless you process them, but I've read that some chinkapin oaks produce acorns that are edible raw. I haven't had the chance to try them myself yet, however. Nor have I tried Ozark chestnuts, although we do have some dedicated folks trying to breed disease-resistant trees, as others are doing with American chestnuts.

 

[SA-Motors]

@daveflutes I found some of them so far.
From left to right, Zelkova, leland cypress, serviceberry, madrone, fiddlewood, pal marfim. Let me know if these look good to you. I’ll post more pictures as I find more.