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Minnesotan Dentist/Poacher/Killer of Cecil the Lion, On The Run . . . .

My understanding of big game hunts that are legal is that's how the rest of the animals in that area are preserved, thru the big money that comes in from them. I was pretty dead set against any hunting purely for sport till I heard a podcast by a guy who really laid out the economics of the situation. What gives these countries the funds to end poaching is the rich game hunters. That being said I would personally have zero interest in hunting something I had no intention of putting in my freezer. Heads on the wall never made sense to me. The bottom line is supposed to be that one to a few are culled from a population to generate revenue to protect the animals in an area. Legal or not that dudes done in business. Plus one on the distraction from the liberals favorite cause celeb, just my two cents.
 
Lions endangered? They're everywhere and doing great feeding on all the poached elephant carcasses. "Ban all hunting" will be the next liberal whine. Ho-hum. Gary
 
Tclem said:
well I read where our fearless leader and his gang are going to investigate this but not planned parenthood but I'll be quiet and go back to the shop
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The POTUS will probably have him extradited back Africa to face punishment there if not charged here.
He damn sure didn't do anything to get Sgt. Tahmooressi extradited back to the US. Maybe his phone wasn't working those 214 days.
 
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There's no way I have time to read that but I will admit I know zero about the cause and effect of banning trophy hunting. My guess is that it does not prevent poaching and does not contribute to it, but it trophy hunting has an impact on poaching either way it is negligible. Poachers don't give a rat's ass what the laws are - only a moron will argue against that. Poachers also don't give a rat's ass whether or not trophy hunting is allowed in their country.

My guess is trophy hunting is defended by trophy hunters and hunters in general. Hey I know . . . let's save the lion and sell tags for their heads. That will help a lot and the poachers will stop killing them so we can have our shot at them!

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But...I have lots of time on my hands...
 
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I don't lol. Sum it up for me in 30 minutes or less. :sarcastic:
 
Kevin said:
I don't lol. Sum it up for me in 30 minutes or less. :sarcastic:
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Besides, its more fun to have opinions without letting silly facts and real world experience get in the way.

That came out a lot snarkier than I intended, but I can't figure out another way to say it. You can tell I still like you, though, because I'm still arguing with you.:cool:

I'm not saying the guy is right because I don't know that part of the world - but his experience, observations, and facts make a lot more sense to me than most of what I've read on the subject. I can't validate whether what he claims about Namibia is true, but if factual as he presents it that would contradict your supposition that hunting doesnt impact poaching.

Granted on a much smaller scale, I can say, unequivocally, that in my experience in both NC and MS, land that is managed for game and hunted regularly has less poaching and more wildlife than neighboring property. Poachers may not care about laws, but most prefer to leave their poaching grounds in the same condition they arrived.:cowboy:

So, read it or don't - your call. Then agree with it or don't - also your call. I posted it because I thought it a good read written by someone a hell of a lot more knowledgeable than any of us here. Whether right or not, I can't say.
 
Interesting read but I'm still not sure I understand the issue enough to have a valid opinion(not that it's ever stopped me from having an opinion). Truth is... I don't give a shart about Africa or lions, so I'm gonna let somebody else sort that stuff.
 
Seems when you read what the africans want- it appears they are not all that fond of critters that call them dinner. Personally I do not blame them. Of course we do not have to worry about such things here, we already exterminated most animals that had us on the menu. I wonder if any of the folks writing the pro Cecil articles know what hypocrite or double standard mean???
 
Mike1950 said:
I wonder if any of the folks writing the pro Cecil articles know what hypocrite or double standard mean???
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No, but they know how to sign a change.org petition without any fundamental understanding of what they're petitioning for (or against).

On that note, I admit to signing one some time back about commercial trawler fishing within certain fisheries. I researched both sides of the issue the best I could and ended up supporting it because of a close acquaintance whose opinion I trust. Since, I get mailings from them periodically and the crap getting petitioned blows my mind. Will never sign another, unless someone starts one to ban @Tclem. Hmmm.
 
SENC said:
No, but they know how to sign a change.org petition without any fundamental understanding of what they're petitioning for (or against).

On that note, I admit to signing one some time back about commercial trawler fishing within certain fisheries. I researched both sides of the issue the best I could and ended up supporting it because of a close acquaintance whose opinion I trust. Since, I get mailings from them periodically and the crap getting petitioned blows my mind. Will never sign another, unless someone starts one to ban @Tclem. Hmmm.
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I am your only friend. You better leave me alone or else JACK
 
The way I see it (and it happens to be a fact, anyways), is that hunters pay for licenses, tags, etc... that money is used to enforce laws, conserve, build habitat, etc. In Ky, our FW department has done wonders for the wildlife populations. Turkey, deer, elk are all thriving. Quail are making a come back as well. Turkeys were all but gone back in the day. Elk were gone. Both were reintroduced, and have come back in huge numbers.

I've also read quite a few things from locals to the area where this lion was killed indicating that they aren't upset at all by it. Funny how it seems the only people who care are the ones here in the states that know nothing about the lion except what they've seen on facebook.
 
Pleistocene megafauna became extinct world wide around 20,000 yrs. ago. Except in Africa. It's a fluke of nature that the African megafauna didn't experience the 5th great extinction. I'm with Mike. Who needs Giant Cave Bears, Dire Wolves, and Saber-toothed Tigers running around? If they hadn't died out, we'd have gotten rid of them.

Trophy hunters take mature male animals that have already reproduced. Their genes are in the next generation and harvesting one does nothing to the population in general. Poachers, on the other hand, kill any and all they can. Gary
 
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And here we see that yet ANOTHER one of my spoof posts has unintentionally lured the prey into the trap. Henry and others please go back and read my initial post all over again. It was a spoof.

I did later admit (and do admit) I don't really know how trophy hunting effects poaching, and that I thought it probably wasn't beneficial. Jon you have dovetailed the issue into full-fledged hunting in general which no one on the forum thinks I am against I have been a lifelong hunter and realize that hunters are the best stewards. But I don't know if trophy hunting makes any sense. I seriously doubt that the 3rd world nations where it mostly occurs , which are run by the same corrupt governments that make sure none of the international aid actually get to the people, will actually use the pittance raised by selling the heads of big game ... will be used to save big game. Maybe the programs are more honest and better managed in the western states that do it here. I can see that happening. I still think the guys that want to hunt just for the head are needle-dick kumquats but that is just my opinion and not worth the spit they would spew at my feet (or in my face) for saying it.

Trophy hunting seems like a load of crap to me. But admittedly, I don't know what the reality of it is when it comes to curbing poaching. Henry you may be 100% correct, but IMO it makes no sense to believe that poachers will stop stealing and start buying tags.

JMSO

(Just My Stupid Opinions)
 
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