Pear/Apple/Smoketree Boxes

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Got the last of the Pear, Apple, and Smoketree I'm parting with cut up and into boxes. Each box should have a mix of all three species, though a little less on the apple as I had less of it. Pieces were all air drying for several years in my shed, so consider them dry.

Prices include shipping in a LFRB or MFRB. Payment by PayPal.

Box L - LFRB - $45

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Box M - LFRB - $45

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Box N - LFRB - $45

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Box O - MFRB - $35

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Ill take O. Do you happen to know the exact species of apple and pear? Are these common edible fruit species?
 
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Big Ry said:
Ill take O. Do you happen to know the exact species of apple and pear? Are these common edible fruit species?
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No idea on the exact species of apple or pear - this was from some rather old fruit trees from a longstanding family farm nearby. Some of the trees were starting to no longer produce, so they were getting cut down so new fruit trees could be planted in their garden area. (The old farmer, who I know well, ate off these trees when he was young. He just turned 85 a few weeks ago!)

You've got my email and I've got your address in previous messages, so once you get payment sent, I'll get it on the way.
 
Sprung said:
No idea on the exact species of apple or pear - this was from some rather old fruit trees from a longstanding family farm nearby. Some of the trees were starting to no longer produce, so they were getting cut down so new fruit trees could be planted in their garden area. (The old farmer, who I know well, ate off these trees when he was young. He just turned 85 a few weeks ago!)

You've got my email and I've got your address in previous messages, so once you get payment sent, I'll get it on the way.
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You got PP

Thanks for the info. I am planning a fruit wood bowl in which I only want to use fruits that are common in the diet. It would be ideal to know the species, but knowing that they were at least used to provide edible fruit is my primary criteria. I'll see if I can get a specific ID form the wood ID gurus.
 
Just a note on nomenclature. If it was edible apple (not a crab apple) the species is domestica. The cultivar (cultivated variety) could be one of hundreds.
 
trc65 said:
Just a note on nomenclature. If it was edible apple (not a crab apple) the species is domestica. The cultivar (cultivated variety) could be one of hundreds.
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Huh, really? Is that like a universal rule? So my prunus domestica are edible plums?
 
Big Ry said:
Huh, really? Is that like a universal rule? So my prunus domestica are edible plums?
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'domestica' as a species name is Latin for domesticated. Doesn't denote that anything is edible, only that it is domesticated, or "living near or around people". Prunus domestica is the scientific name for edible plum, but that doesn't mean that all cultivars have been selected for culinary qualities. There may be cultivars that have been selected for their beauty rather than size or flavor of the fruit. But bottom line, your plum is edible, but that doesn't mean you necessarily will like it.
 
trc65 said:
'domestica' as a species name is Latin for domesticated. Doesn't denote that anything is edible, only that it is domesticated, or "living near or around people". Prunus domestica is the scientific name for edible plum, but that doesn't mean that all cultivars have been selected for culinary qualities. There may be cultivars that have been selected for their beauty rather than size or flavor of the fruit. But bottom line, your plum is edible, but that doesn't mean you necessarily will like it.
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Also there are often more species within the genus that have been domesticated. Sticking with prunus, you also have armeniaca (apricot) avium (cherry) and more like almond. Not to mention subspecies.
 
Ryan I would like box M please. I'll send address in a PM once you send me the info. Thank you. Al
 
Pops said:
Ryan I would like box M please. I'll send address in a PM once you send me the info. Thank you. Al
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To be clear, I'm not the seller. Matt is. I just offered Dave a piece of the smoke tree since he and I are currently working on a trade, and i ordered one of Matt's boxes. So I'm just going to throw a stick in the box I'm sending across the pond.
 
Big Ry said:
Huh, really? Is that like a universal rule? So my prunus domestica are edible plums?
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Boring, pedantic biology prof here: Latin names can be descriptive, but they don't have to be. Many domestic species are called domesticus / domestica, but there's no rule that says that all domesticated species have to called that. For example, European pear isn't Pyrus domesticus, it's Pyrus communis. Edible figs are Ficus carica. English walnuts are Juglans regia. And so on.

There are a few other Latin names that get reused a lot. A lot of culinary and medicinal herbs are called officinalis, literally "of the workroom" but implying "of the storehouse" or "of the pharmacy." So there's Rosmarinus officinalis (rosemary), Salvia officinalis (garden sage), Borago officinalis (borage), Symphytum officinale (comfrey), and so on. But there's no rule that says that every edible herb has to be named that. Biologists can get downright quirky with naming, and some names are inside jokes -- Carl Linnaeus, who invented the system, was fond of naming pretty flowers after his friends and noxious weeds after his critics.

Probably more than you wanted to know, but I teach this stuff for a living and can drop into lecture mode without warning.
 
Cloud of Sawdust Farms said:
Boring, pedantic biology prof here: Latin names can be descriptive, but they don't have to be. Many domestic species are called domesticus / domestica, but there's no rule that says that all domesticated species have to called that. For example, European pear isn't Pyrus domesticus, it's Pyrus communis. Edible figs are Ficus carica. English walnuts are Juglans regia. And so on.

There are a few other Latin names that get reused a lot. A lot of culinary and medicinal herbs are called officinalis, literally "of the workroom" but implying "of the storehouse" or "of the pharmacy." So there's Rosmarinus officinalis (rosemary), Salvia officinalis (garden sage), Borago officinalis (borage), Symphytum officinale (comfrey), and so on. But there's no rule that says that every edible herb has to be named that. Biologists can get downright quirky with naming, and some names are inside jokes -- Carl Linnaeus, who invented the system, was fond of naming pretty flowers after his friends and noxious weeds after his critics.

Probably more than you wanted to know, but I teach this stuff for a living and can drop into lecture mode without warning.
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Thanks for clarifying. It just sounded to me like Tim was saying that you could conclude that a certain fruit tree was bearing edible fruits by the use of "domestica" in the species name, but thinking about it now that can't possibly be true. For one, there are numerous species of edible apples, and they can't all be the same Latin name (and I doubt they're all subspecies under the same parent species). But also, often times what is considered "edible" is just a function of society/culture and not anything to do with nutrition/health/safety/taste. So presumably certain fruits might be added to (or even subtracted from) the American diet at times, and God knows their Latin name won't change simply because of that.
 
Big Ry said:
Thanks for clarifying. It just sounded to me like Tim was saying that you could conclude that a certain fruit tree was bearing edible fruits by the use of "domestica" in the species name, but thinking about it now that can't possibly be true. For one, there are numerous species of edible apples, and they can't all be the same Latin name (and I doubt they're all subspecies under the same parent species). But also, often times what is considered "edible" is just a function of society/culture and not anything to do with nutrition/health/safety/taste. So presumably certain fruits might be added to (or even subtracted from) the American diet at times, and God knows their Latin name won't change simply because of that.
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Most apples are subspecies of malus domestica. Malus sivierii is the original species (don’t quote me here) some like crabapple are different. The Latin naming is in general more ideological than logical. It relies on what the namer knows and thinks is appropriate rather than what makes sense. Also, as you can only have one species name per genus (otherwise they would be identical) common names like domestica, sempervirens, communis and so on are used up quickly.
 
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