SEO, "Hijacking", & Thread Ownership . . . .

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SEO is the acronym for Search Engine Optimization. It's a very complex topic but can be summed up easily:

In our case it's the process of how woodbarter as a forum in general, and threads on our forum in particular are ranked within the hierarchy of results on the various search engines (SE) for the keywords each SE spider has crawled our site and decided where to rank our forum or a thread within our forum. This is for non-paid results or what is called organic results.


There's probably a better way to say it but on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being expert and 1 being imbecile regarding SEO expertise I am about a 3.372. But let me try to explain why not all "hijacking" is "hijacling at all. For those reading this, please go to google right now and type in the keyphrase 'flame boxelder'. You will see my Powder Creek website in the top 3 to 5 results. For about 7 years it has always been ranked at the very top of the page because the SE spiders considered my site the most relevant to that (and other) keyword phrases. Last summer I closed my website and just re-opened it a few weeks ago, so it had dropped completely off the map. I needed a break but that's a different story. Now that the SE crawlers have found it again it is headed straight back to the top and that's where it will remain unless someone opens a site that is more relevant to FBE than mine.

Now, go back to google and type in this keyword phrase - flame box elder pot call blanks - you will see WB pop up in a couple results both near the top. One of those results is a thread by treecycle. Google thinks that the combination of all those keywords put together are most relevant in his thread. that's because he has 6 or 7 pages of those keywords used by both him and the other posters in the thread. That's a good thing. No, that's a GREAT thing for Greg, his customers, and especially WB!

So when a discussion takes place within someone's WTB or FS or Trade threads that is not apparently "on topic", don't think it is a "hijack" because it is actually a help not a hinderance, provided his keywords are being used. the claro thread that phoenix started will eventually (and sometimes it doesn't take very long) be ranked by G and the various other SEs because Claro is being used over and over in the thread.

We do not have many members here that have claro walnut, But if his thread gets ranked it will draw not only people who are looking to buy it but also those looking to sell it or even trade it. This is how we have gotten over 35% of our members - via keyword searches. I know this because I have access to every imaginable statistic you can think of. i can even see which members have joined our forum in order to use it to get their own site ranked. I see them searching google for terms relating to their site and others who search those terms to end up on WB. this is great - it's how back links and SEO in general works. If it's good for your site it's good for WB.

Not all that glitters is gold, and some tarnished metals are solid silver. So not all hijacks are bad. Usually, they are good provided the keywords are being used. Maybe phoenix's thread will not get ranked before he needs his wood, but it might. And it will eventually get ranked and who's to say he won't need more, or that someone is going to find it on G in a week or a year and join the forum letting us know he has a lot of it and is wiling to trade for other stuff?


Now to address the "Thread Ownership" portion of the title. Even considering everything I have said, anyone who posts a thread on WB I have always considered them the actual owner of the content. Anytime someone wants posts they deem unrelated, removed or moved, I have always been willing to do this and that hasn't changed. I just hope this post helps more members realize that the more keywords used in their thread, the better of WB, and they, are and that it isn't a professional hijack, but free results that no professional SEO company can get for you for even thousands of dollars.

Greg is going to benefit from the high ranking of his thread probably for years, and so will we all.

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I have noticed that when I want to dig deeper into a subject that has been discussed on wb I almost always find the thread that prompted my search to begin with. It is cool how the SEO works.
 
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Robert I have never had a problem with off topic posts. And I am the worst one here to do it. All I'm saying is that if the OP (original Poster) of a thread doesnt not want that in his or her thread I will always honor that, and remove said posts from the thread for the OP. I love OT posts in my threads. Keeps them at the top, makes them more enjoyable, and usually we all learn something new while having fun.

I think people who don't like them are just used to being told from the time they first got online that it is bad so they repeat the party line, and the same goes for making a post in an old thread. Have you ever seen someone make a post in an od thread and a member wants to look brilliant and post "The thread is 2 years old moron!" Just crawls all over me. Some of the best threads I've been involved in are ones that were brought back from the dead.

Woodbarter is different. We have the freedom of thought to know we don't have to conform to the "norm" or the "established rules". We cut our own path here. What my goal regarding the Thread Ownership is however to protect those that do not like OT posts in their thr that they can tick that says something like "No Off Topic Posts Please" or some sort. That respects them and let's us know not to do it from the start. I've got an add on request out for that because one doesn't exist so i will have to pay for one to be made - shouldn't cost too much though it would be a simple add on.
 
I have to agree with Kevin's summation with thread theft. He probably steals mine more then anyone else and me his. We have had boatloads of fun- knowing that neither of us care. Me I look at once I post -it is free game- and would have it no other way..............
 
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Free range posts are healthier too.

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Not really Tom, though I suppose it can be sometimes. "Trolling" in internet parlance means someone makes a post in a way that attempts to illicit negative comments or attacks by other members so an argument can ensue. Off topic doesn't attempt to add negativity to the discussion, off topic posts just don't have anything to do with the subject matter. Trolling can be off topic or not. This is mytake on it, not a definition from anywhere except my deranged brain.


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I think people who don't like them are just used to being told from the time they first got online that it is bad so they repeat the party line

I just remembered something more about this and I know Ken @kweinert will be able to vouch for this also. In the early days of the internet bandwidth was extremely scare - and expensive - it was essential that resources be managed properly and that bandwidth wasn't "wasted" any more than necessary. Most of us remember having to wait 5,10, even 15 minutes for a single email with an image to finish downloading to our email client. My first one was Eudora. Anyway back then BBs were the precursor to forums and BB admin didn't want their precious bandwidth eaten up by people talkig about their pet pig, unlesss it was a BB for pet pig owners.

Ken I know you can elaborate on this better than I, but don't you feel old when a yewt asks you what a BB is or "Hey what exactly was 'dialup' anyway? And what does 'DOS' mean? And what is a command prompt? And why do we only have one moon . . . . . " There I go getting off topic again . . . . . . .

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I do not know about BB but I bet Ken feels old when he hears the word COBOL or Fortran and those wonderful card punchers that used to make the machines work- those will date ya.........
 
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I do not know about BB but I bet Ken feels old when he hears the word COBOL or Fortran and those wonderful card punchers that used to make the machines work- those will date ya.........

Mike you've been around Mrs. Kathie long enough you sound like an old programmer yourself. :pleasantry:
 
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Cool - learn something new everyday.
 
I could go on with stories from the old days for much longer than most people want to listen.

I'll just give one quick note here and shut up - unless someone prods me :)

Another of the programmers with, lets say, a lot of experience and I were talking about some of the stuff that happened in the old days. One of our younger colleagues was listening in and piped up with "We learned about that in my computing history class."

*sigh*

I'll also note that, for sentimental reasons, I still have an acoustic modem that I used to telecommute back in 1974. You know, the kind that had rubber cups that you put the headset from the phone in. The kind of phone that has a cord.
 
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