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Funny enough, I almost bought a persimmon tree (sapling) myself a couple of years back as I am very keen on the fruits (and wood). The dioecious aspect stopped me in my tracks though as I really didn't want to have to buy three of them. The wood on them is nice, and I get the diospyros thing. Diospyros lotus could work - its a chinese tree, so capable of tolerating a fairly harsh winter and produces more of a plum style fruit.

I have managed to get my pomegranate trees through snow here before, although I guess it depends how cold it gets. Here we often get around -4 celcius in the winter, so thats probably around 25F for you? You might manage with a maypop as those are a native and more cold tolerant than most of the other Passioflora. This being said, you are more north than me, and I suspect PA gets some lake effect weather? I'd say if you can grow figs, then you might be alright with pomegranate and quince.
No lake effect on the east side of the state. We are probably a 6 hour drive from Pittsburgh and even further to Lake Erie. It definitly gets colder here. We typically have at least a few days in the single digits or teens (F). This winter was particularly cold with a 3+ week period in the single digits. It killed (or nearly killed...TBD) our Japanese Holly. Many other plants are struggling, but the weather has been very up and down this spring as well.
 

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Have an acre. We went opposite way. 38 yrs in same house. It was all grass and pine trees. Mowing was work with a rider. When a little wet it had a hill area that felt like a drifter car when going down. Deer were not a problem. Changed wild area behind to no shooting and people feeding deer made it to where nothing was safe.
Now fences, less 43 pine trees, a shop area and gravel occupies 1/4. Grass = about 3000 sq ft. And fences keep deer out. Moose just effortlessly hops over fence. But he hops back when blasted with marble out of sling shot. Deer nibble on stuff. Moose destroy a 16' mountain ash in 1/2 hour. They sand on hind legs reach up 12'-13' grab the trunk and drop. Amazing. I think yards are always in work in progress. Enjoy the journey. Planted a red oak in 97. 4 " probably 16" now. At this point we are taking out fruit trees. Too much work. Planted filberts in 92. Never got a filbert. I thought it was a bad tree, nope, squirrels eat every last one...
 

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Have an acre. We went opposite way. 38 yrs in same house. It was all grass and pine trees. Mowing was work with a rider. When a little wet it had a hill area that felt like a drifter car when going down. Deer were not a problem. Changed wild area behind to no shooting and people feeding deer made it to where nothing was safe.
Now fences, less 43 pine trees, a shop area and gravel occupies 1/4. Grass = about 3000 sq ft. And fences keep deer out. Moose just effortlessly hops over fence. But he hops back when blasted with marble out of sling shot. Deer nibble on stuff. Moose destroy a 16' mountain ash in 1/2 hour. They sand on hind legs reach up 12'-13' grab the trunk and drop. Amazing. I think yards are always in work in progress. Enjoy the journey. Planted a red oak in 97. 4 " probably 16" now. At this point we are taking out fruit trees. Too much work. Planted filberts in 92. Never got a filbert. I thought it was a bad tree, nope, squirrels eat every last one...
I have enough problems keeping the squirrels out of my bird feeders. The first year, hot sauce in the seed kept them away. But after that they seem to have gotten used to the spice. Conical deflectors, lithium grease on the pole, scented deterrents...nothing seems to work. I wouldn't even care if they weren't so greedy. They dump the entire feeder out on the ground at once, so then the birds don't get much of any.
 

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Danged - know about the #@%@#%%^^&!@ squirrels!

I bought a Sung Hui Persimmon from Edible Landscaping a few years ago. Most persimmons, both native and oriental (Sung Hui is Korean) usually have to be dead ripe and squishy to be able to eat. Tannic and astringent if not. However, there are a few cultivars that are edible before then - although you do want to wait on ripeness to be best. The Sung Hui is a flattened type of oriental persimmon and has survived a day or two of -1 degrees, probably lower in my microclimate. In fact it is just about to bloom right now and got down to low single digits this past winter. It's gotten a little taller than I want, so will summer prune this year. This will be the 12th year. It took 3 years to bear and some years the squirrels get them all, but put little mesh bags around them last year and got more than my wife could eat, so we pulped them and froze the pulp to use in various desserts. It is self-fertile, self pollinating - so don't need another tree, but would probably set more fruit if it did. Mine is planted in more shade that it would like, but it still produces. I bought it on the understanding that it was non-astringent, but is just less astringent. Still need to be close to ripe. There are non-astringent types that are single digit hardy. Edible Landscapting apparently does not sell Sung Hui any more.
 

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I have enough problems keeping the squirrels out of my bird feeders. The first year, hot sauce in the seed kept them away. But after that they seem to have gotten used to the spice. Conical deflectors, lithium grease on the pole, scented deterrents...nothing seems to work. I wouldn't even care if they weren't so greedy. They dump the entire feeder out on the ground at once, so then the birds don't get much of any.
I will recommend a feeder that for me is pretty squirrel resistant. They do figure out that they can jump on them and jump off and some seed falls to the ground, but they don't seem to be doing that much more now. Guess more effort than what it was worth. I've had them for 10+ years and very happy with them as long as they are hung far enough away that they cannot just reach over and grab some seed without putting their weight on them. I also use a spring clip/clamp to hold the hanging wire on the hanging pole. They are called Squirrel Busters by Brome. There are two types, one where this wire surround will pull down and cover up the feeding ports if something heavy get on them. That's the type I have - the original - all that was available when I bought them. The other type is electronic and twirls when a squirrel gets near the feeding ports and they go slinging off. It's a hoot seeing them trying to hang on and then go flying. Raccoons are a problem, so I do have to bring them in at night. If I had a hanger arm that was long enough where the raccoons could not reach, I likely would not have a problem with them either. They also have a Suet Feeder that is pretty resistant also. I have it for the woodpeckers although other birds use it too. Don't get me wrong, they are a little pricier than the wallyworld feeders, but what you can save in seed - they repay for themselves over and over. There is also a no question guarantee that if anything breaks, they will replace and pay for shipping. I've had to use it a couple of times as raccoons can be hard on them when I forget to bring them in at night. I've offered to pay for the part because I left it out and raccoons damaged it, but they said nope, we'll send the part anyways. Have a local bird shop that sells them and usually has stock of replacement parts, but if not just contact the home office and bang it is at your house.
 
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I have enough problems keeping the squirrels out of my bird feeders. The first year, hot sauce in the seed kept them away. But after that they seem to have gotten used to the spice. Conical deflectors, lithium grease on the pole, scented deterrents...nothing seems to work. I wouldn't even care if they weren't so greedy. They dump the entire feeder out on the ground at once, so then the birds don't get much of any.
When I move here we only had native red pine squirrels, but have not seen pine here in 20 years. Non native Grey's killed off the reds. I hate them, so does the dog...
 

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No lake effect on the east side of the state. We are probably a 6 hour drive from Pittsburgh and even further to Lake Erie. It definitly gets colder here. We typically have at least a few days in the single digits or teens (F). This winter was particularly cold with a 3+ week period in the single digits. It killed (or nearly killed...TBD) our Japanese Holly. Many other plants are struggling, but the weather has been very up and down this spring as well.
Correction, Rarely have lake effect in Philly area but very common in the Poconos and Endless Mountains.
 

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I have enough problems keeping the squirrels out of my bird feeders. The first year, hot sauce in the seed kept them away. But after that they seem to have gotten used to the spice. Conical deflectors, lithium grease on the pole, scented deterrents...nothing seems to work. I wouldn't even care if they weren't so greedy. They dump the entire feeder out on the ground at once, so then the birds don't get much of any.
The electrified feeders work well. Grounded cables to insulators to feeder. Birds land on the feeder, no issues. You need to check if they are legal in your area.
 

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I will recommend a feeder that for me is pretty squirrel resistant. They do figure out that they can jump on them and jump off and some seed falls to the ground, but they don't seem to be doing that much more now. Guess more effort than what it was worth. I've had them for 10+ years and very happy with them as long as they are hung far enough away that they cannot just reach over and grab some seed without putting their weight on them. I also use a spring clip/clamp to hold the hanging wire on the hanging pole. They are called Squirrel Busters by Brome. There are two types, one where this wire surround will pull down and cover up the feeding ports if something heavy get on them. That's the type I have - the original - all that was available when I bought them. The other type is electronic and twirls when a squirrel gets near the feeding ports and they go slinging off. It's a hoot seeing them trying to hang on and then go flying. Raccoons are a problem, so I do have to bring them in at night. If I had a hanger arm that was long enough where the raccoons could not reach, I likely would not have a problem with them either. They also have a Suet Feeder that is pretty resistant also. I have it for the woodpeckers although other birds use it too. Don't get me wrong, they are a little pricier than the wallyworld feeders, but what you can save in seed - they repay for themselves over and over. There is also a no question guarantee that if anything breaks, they will replace and pay for shipping. I've had to use it a couple of times as raccoons can be hard on them when I forget to bring them in at night. I've offered to pay for the part because I left it out and raccoons damaged it, but they said nope, we'll send the part anyways. Have a local bird shop that sells them and usually has stock of replacement parts, but if not just contact the home office and bang it is at your house.
 

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Ha! I don’t have a single point I could hook up a squirrel electric chair. Would loved to hear them sizzle though. For now, I caught a good sale on squirrel ammo and I do still relish that thud of the 50 foot drop to the ground.
 

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Ha! I don’t have a single point I could hook up a squirrel electric chair. Would loved to hear them sizzle though. For now, I caught a good sale on squirrel ammo and I do still relish that thud of the 50 foot drop to the ground.
I had a landlady that use to trap squirrels in a cage then sank the cage in a barrel full of water. Her kill was up over 500! She kept track of the buggers!
 

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Danged - know about the #@%@#%%^^&!@ squirrels!

I bought a Sung Hui Persimmon from Edible Landscaping a few years ago. Most persimmons, both native and oriental (Sung Hui is Korean) usually have to be dead ripe and squishy to be able to eat. Tannic and astringent if not. However, there are a few cultivars that are edible before then - although you do want to wait on ripeness to be best. The Sung Hui is a flattened type of oriental persimmon and has survived a day or two of -1 degrees, probably lower in my microclimate. In fact it is just about to bloom right now and got down to low single digits this past winter. It's gotten a little taller than I want, so will summer prune this year. This will be the 12th year. It took 3 years to bear and some years the squirrels get them all, but put little mesh bags around them last year and got more than my wife could eat, so we pulped them and froze the pulp to use in various desserts. It is self-fertile, self pollinating - so don't need another tree, but would probably set more fruit if it did. Mine is planted in more shade that it would like, but it still produces. I bought it on the understanding that it was non-astringent, but is just less astringent. Still need to be close to ripe. There are non-astringent types that are single digit hardy. Edible Landscapting apparently does not sell Sung Hui any more.
Honestly, i don't even like persimmons, so maybe i don't need you to be self fertile anyway. It will grows if it doesn't fruit, right? Probably better to keep the deer away.
 

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I will recommend a feeder that for me is pretty squirrel resistant. They do figure out that they can jump on them and jump off and some seed falls to the ground, but they don't seem to be doing that much more now. Guess more effort than what it was worth. I've had them for 10+ years and very happy with them as long as they are hung far enough away that they cannot just reach over and grab some seed without putting their weight on them. I also use a spring clip/clamp to hold the hanging wire on the hanging pole. They are called Squirrel Busters by Brome. There are two types, one where this wire surround will pull down and cover up the feeding ports if something heavy get on them. That's the type I have - the original - all that was available when I bought them. The other type is electronic and twirls when a squirrel gets near the feeding ports and they go slinging off. It's a hoot seeing them trying to hang on and then go flying. Raccoons are a problem, so I do have to bring them in at night. If I had a hanger arm that was long enough where the raccoons could not reach, I likely would not have a problem with them either. They also have a Suet Feeder that is pretty resistant also. I have it for the woodpeckers although other birds use it too. Don't get me wrong, they are a little pricier than the wallyworld feeders, but what you can save in seed - they repay for themselves over and over. There is also a no question guarantee that if anything breaks, they will replace and pay for shipping. I've had to use it a couple of times as raccoons can be hard on them when I forget to bring them in at night. I've offered to pay for the part because I left it out and raccoons damaged it, but they said nope, we'll send the part anyways. Have a local bird shop that sells them and usually has stock of replacement parts, but if not just contact the home office and bang it is at your house.
I actually do have a squirrel proof feeder, but they have figured it out. It's like yours... Wire cage that pulls down with weight to cover feeding ports. The problem is that the gray squirrels are so big that they can hang on to the mounting/hanging wire with their hind legs and reach down to the bottom of the 18" long feeder without putting weight on the feeder itself... Smart little SOBs, I'll say.

I also like the themed feeders i have, which include a cedar hut with double suet holders and a coffee cup shaped feeder. I also planned to make more of my own with some Eastern Red cedar. I have them on 2 poles that have arms about 5ft from the ground. I strategically placed them away from bushes and had to trim the nearby hawthorn after discovering they were making some evil knievel jumps from tree to feeder... Shocking distance. They can even jump up a good 3-4ft from flat ground. This year i plan to try slinkies on the pole.
 
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When I move here we only had native red pine squirrels, but have not seen pine here in 20 years. Non native Grey's killed off the reds. I hate them, so does the dog...
I'm pretty sure I've only ever seen gray here. They have been everywhere for as long as i can remember. They are like an infestation.
 

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The electrified feeders work well. Grounded cables to insulators to feeder. Birds land on the feeder, no issues. You need to check if they are legal in your area.
I do have exterior 110 outlets very nearby, but i doubt the township would allow that lol. Plus, is that even safe for young kids?
 

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I had a landlady that use to trap squirrels in a cage then sank the cage in a barrel full of water. Her kill was up over 500! She kept track of the buggers!
I don't think i could bring myself to do that. That's some psychopathic s**t 😮
 
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