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Big Ry said:
I don't think i could bring myself to do that. That's some psychopathic s**t 😮
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Not if you eat them. Then it is traditional. If you kill to kill, then there are issues.

Mike1950 said:
Ya would not even have to cook them. Fast food, this could be a winner... now how do I get past PETA
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Depends on which PETA. Go with the People Eating Tasty Animals one and you should be fine.
 
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Mr. Peet said:
Not if you eat them. Then it is traditional. If you kill to kill, then there are issues.


Depends on which PETA. Go with the People Eating Tasty Animals one and you should be fine.
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I'm talking about the manner of death. It's one thing to shoot to kill them, but i think drowning them is unnecessarily torturous. I don't see why that would ever be necessary for a trapped animal when there are several more humane methods available. Plus, who eats squirrels anyway? I thought they were known to be fairly disease-ridden like so many other rodents.
 
Tom Smart said:
Ha! I don’t have a single point I could hook up a squirrel electric chair. Would loved to hear them sizzle though. For now, I caught a good sale on squirrel ammo and I do still relish that thud of the 50 foot drop to the ground.
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Big Ry said:
I'm pretty sure I've only ever seen gray here. They have been everywhere for as long as i can remember. They are like an infestation.
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Big Ry said:
I don't think i could bring myself to do that. That's some psychopathic s**t 😮
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Ryan , you might change yor mind if like Tom they were attracted to the wiring in your car, I think the bill on his truck and car was in neighborhood of $10K. Those kind of numbers can change your outlook on things. they breed to food supply.
Western red pine squirrel is only squirrel that is native here. Some moron released a few invasive grey squirrels in late 60s. So far they seem to stay close to cities, otherwise the reds are doomed. The reds are about 1/3 the size of a grey. Greys are agressive and reds timid. end result is no more reds. Now if I lived a little further out I would have score card on my wall, I did for the skunks.
But then again the skunks presented a different problem. They dug up streets to in sewer which disturbed the dens in the culverts that never see water. go outside in the early morning and sit down to have coffee and watch the skunks stroll across backyard. Got so Bad that Kathie had to be very careful in her gardens.
I grew up on farm, neighbor paid cousin and I to trap skunks, she had 100s of chickens and they were eating half or more of eggs. Gramps taught us to trap without getting sprayed. June paid us per skunk. this supplied us with 22 shells for summer. 1 den 30 skunks. next 18.
in my back yard we put a pile of bird food-took screen off window. First thing in morning check pile- trusty .177 pump pellet gun got 14, they were denned up in my dry culvert. I did not realize at time but 3 neighbors had same problem-different cure. next door-tree hugger paid $50 a skunk to live trap -remove and release elsewhere. probably came back or became others problem. 2 houses from him-live trap and 50 gallon barrel of water and the other neighbor put straw bales in front of shop-bait and shot with 22. the 4 of us all on about a 3rd of our block removed over 50 skunks. I personally only had a problem with the released ones.
 
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Mike1950 said:
Ryan , you might change yor mind if like Tom they were attracted to the wiring in your car, I think the bill on his truck and car was in neighborhood of $10K. Those kind of numbers can change your outlook on things. they breed to food supply.
Western red pine squirrel is only squirrel that is native here. Some moron released a few invasive grey squirrels in late 60s. So far they seem to stay close to cities, otherwise the reds are doomed. The reds are about 1/3 the size of a grey. Greys are agressive and reds timid. end result is no more reds. Now if I lived a little further out I would have score card on my wall, I did for the skunks.
But then again the skunks presented a different problem. They dug up streets to in sewer which disturbed the dens in the culverts that never see water. go outside in the early morning and sit down to have coffee and watch the skunks stroll across backyard. Got so Bad that Kathie had to be very careful in her gardens.
I grew up on farm, neighbor paid cousin and I to trap skunks, she had 100s of chickens and they were eating half or more of eggs. Gramps taught us to trap without getting sprayed. June paid us per skunk. this supplied us with 22 shells for summer. 1 den 30 skunks. next 18.
in my back yard we put a pile of bird food-took screen off window. First thing in morning check pile- trusty .177 pump pellet gun got 14, they were denned up in my dry culvert. I did not realize at time but 3 neighbors had same problem-different cure. next door-tree hugger paid $50 a skunk to live trap -remove and release elsewhere. probably came back or became others problem. 2 houses from him-live trap and 50 gallon barrel of water and the other neighbor put straw bales in front of shop-bait and shot with 22. the 4 of us all on about a 3rd of our block removed over 50 skunks. I personally only had a problem with the released ones.
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I understand the frustration of rodents damaging vehicles. When i lived in Baltimore City, rats would get into the engine bay of my Accord and chew on the wiring, because in Honda's infinite wisdom they thought it would be a good idea to make the wire jackets out of soy. A rat chewing through the knock sensor wiring was the straw that broke the camels back. I wasn't about to tear off the entire top end of the engine where I parked on the street, so i ended up getting rid of the vehicle and buying the Grand Cherokee i drive now.

I was only commenting that it doesn't make sense to drown a trapped animal when there are more humane methods to kill them. I'm not saying not to kill them. I'm just saying there are quicker methods. The animal is in a trap after all, so it's not like there's much resistance or skill needed. It just reminded me of forensic files or one of those other shows where they profile serial killers and the killer always did something like that to animals as a kid.
 
Big Ry said:
I understand the frustration of rodents damaging vehicles. When i lived in Baltimore City, rats would get into the engine bay of my Accord and chew on the wiring, because in Honda's infinite wisdom they thought it would be a good idea to make the wire jackets out of soy. A rat chewing through the knock sensor wiring was the straw that broke the camels back. I wasn't about to tear off the entire top end of the engine where I parked on the street, so i ended up getting rid of the vehicle and buying the Grand Cherokee i drive now.

I was only commenting that it doesn't make sense to drown a trapped animal when there are more humane methods to kill them. I'm not saying not to kill them. I'm just saying there are quicker methods. The animal is in a trap after all, so it's not like there's much resistance or skill needed. It just reminded me of forensic files or one of those other shows where they profile serial killers and the killer always did something like that to animals as a kid.
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So you do not eat lobster or crab?
 
I always try to remind myself that animals are 99% of the time just being animals. They rarely are deliberately trying to be a nuisance. I understand the people who say the animals have a right to be here but so do I. And when it comes to nature, in a conflict, the fittest survive. I chuckle when people whine about how mean humans are - and certainly there are some who hurt, torture and kill animals for no apparent reason. And in my opinion those people deserve to suffer the same fate. But think about the eagle chicks who will purposefully peck a sibling to death so the survivor gets all the food and attention; or the lions or bears who will kill every cub they didn't sire just so the females will go into heat and the male can extend his genes; or the scrub jay who goes into a nest and tosses all the eggs out for some reason no one can yet explain. Life can be cruel sometimes.
 
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DLJeffs said:
I always try to remind myself that animals are 99% of the time just being animals. They rarely are deliberately trying to be a nuisance. I understand the people who say the animals have a right to be here but so do I. And when it comes to nature, in a conflict, the fittest survive. I chuckle when people whine about how mean humans are - and certainly there are some who hurt, torture and kill animals for no apparent reason. And in my opinion those people deserve to suffer the same fate. But think about the eagle chicks who will purposefully peck a sibling to death so the survivor gets all the food and attention; or the lions or bears who will kill every cub they didn't sire just so the females will go into heat and the male can extend his genes; or the scrub jay who goes into a nest and tosses all the eggs out for some reason no one can yet explain. Life can be cruel sometimes.
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Yeah but I'm not saying not to kill them. I'm saying not to intentionally torture them when there are quicker ways to kill them, and especially when the only reason you have to kill them is that they are a nuisance. My original comment was really only intended to get a laugh anyway, not be taken seriously. Because the concept of drowning a caged animal is quite literally a common act displayed by serial killers in childhood. I thought people would get the reference; i didn't expect it to turn into a debate. But my original comment still stands that 'I could not bring myself' to do that. I wasn't even trying to tell others what to do. I was just saying that i couldn't do that.
 
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Big Ry said:
Yeah but I'm not saying not to kill them. I'm saying not to intentionally torture them when there are quicker ways to kill them, and especially when the only reason you have to kill them is that they are a nuisance. My original comment was really only intended to get a laugh anyway, not be taken seriously. Because the concept of drowning a caged animal is quite literally a common act displayed by serial killers in childhood. I thought people would get the reference; i didn't expect it to turn into a debate. But my original comment still stands that 'I could not bring myself' to do that. I wasn't even trying to tell others what to do. I was just saying that i couldn't do that.
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I’m completely on your side here. Even if I could, European laws would forbid it and I couldn’t do it anyway. Hunt yes. (Though it doesn’t make me happy until I eat the venison sausage) but to drown an animal, I don’t see the point.
 
DLJeffs said:
I always try to remind myself that animals are 99% of the time just being animals. They rarely are deliberately trying to be a nuisance. I understand the people who say the animals have a right to be here but so do I. And when it comes to nature, in a conflict, the fittest survive. I chuckle when people whine about how mean humans are - and certainly there are some who hurt, torture and kill animals for no apparent reason. And in my opinion those people deserve to suffer the same fate. But think about the eagle chicks who will purposefully peck a sibling to death so the survivor gets all the food and attention; or the lions or bears who will kill every cub they didn't sire just so the females will go into heat and the male can extend his genes; or the scrub jay who goes into a nest and tosses all the eggs out for some reason no one can yet explain. Life can be cruel sometimes.
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Wolf's wound their prey and start dining on it while still alive. Humans do not have a monopoly on cruelty. Picture example. 115 pics of this cat and mouse. Batted first one into snow and lost it. Just got another. Now the cat is enjoying game, mouse i am sure thinks differently.
Big Ry said:
Yeah but I'm not saying not to kill them. I'm saying not to intentionally torture them when there are quicker ways to kill them, and especially when the only reason you have to kill them is that they are a nuisance. My original comment was really only intended to get a laugh anyway, not be taken seriously. Because the concept of drowning a caged animal is quite literally a common act displayed by serial killers in childhood. I thought people would get the reference; i didn't expect it to turn into a debate. But my original comment still stands that 'I could not bring myself' to do that. I wasn't even trying to tell others what to do. I was just saying that i couldn't do that.
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Shooting would be more humane for the skunk. But in a live trap, shooting your expensive trap can be hazardous and shooting in perfect spot they cannot spray otherwise shooting becomes inhumane to the shooter. Put cage in barrel, no smell.
Gramma, told us if we came home skunked we would be scrapped til smell was gone. She meant it.
We used leg traps, I know torture, illegal in Washington now. but long pole, fulcrum lift in air like teeter totter. while back legs ar off ground they cannot spray. shoot an wait till not moving. i was 12 harold was 9. 48 skunks. grams bristle brush stayed dry...

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Big Ry said:
I'm talking about the manner of death. It's one thing to shoot to kill them, but i think drowning them is unnecessarily torturous. I don't see why that would ever be necessary for a trapped animal when there are several more humane methods available. Plus, who eats squirrels anyway? I thought they were known to be fairly disease-ridden like so many other rodents.
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Squirrel stew was my favorite as a kid. Nobody other than Dad and I would eat it, but I'd make a pot every time I got a couple. Of course I'm talking big, fat, fox squirrels out of the timber, not those nasty urban rats.
 
@Big Ry Mountain Ash is a very hardy small tree. Flowers in spring. Orange Berries which attract birds in winter robins and cedar waxwings. When other food disappears like your winter last year they strip the berries in a week. Leaves too small to rake. Will propagate on own , bird droppings. Easy to get rid of, cheap hardy. Well except for moose. Ours all came from droppings. Some that started we were going to take out but did not. We are glad we did not, provide nice privacy.
Bonus, the best ash burl i have ever had, and I have bought and sold about 10,000 lbs was Mountain ash. Only a guess, I did not see tree, but probably European Mt. Ash. They get bigger. The emerald ash bettle does not seem to affect them that is observation and local arborist info.

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Mike1950 said:
@Big Ry Mountain Ash is a very hardy small tree. Flowers in spring. Orange Berries which attract birds in winter robins and cedar waxwings. When other food disappears like your winter last year they strip the berries in a week. Leaves too small to rake. Will propagate on own , bird droppings. Easy to get rid of, cheap hardy. Well except for moose. Ours all came from droppings. Some that started we were going to take out but did not. We are glad we did not, provide nice privacy.
Bonus, the best ash burl i have ever had, and I have bought and sold about 10,000 lbs was Mountain ash. Only a guess, I did not see tree, but probably European Mt. Ash. They get bigger. The emerald ash bettle does not seem to affect them that is observation and local arborist info.

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Seeing as mountain ash is not actually a fraxinus species but a sorbus. Beautiful wood though. It has a nice brown core.
 
daniscool said:
Seeing as mountain ash is not actually a fraxinus species but a sorbus. Beautiful wood though. It has a nice brown core.
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You sure cannot tell differences in burl, black ash burl looks the same. Different smell.
 
Mike1950 said:
Local Mennonite colony has huge potato farm to west. They sell their bad potatoes, the local Russians buy cheap by truckload. Vodka by the barrel, had 3 Russians working for me, 2 of them were in a group making Vodka. Russian traditions do not allow refusal of toast. Yikes my toes still have permanent curl...
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I can't imagine how many gallons of vodka a hundred million pounds of potatoes would make.
 
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burlyfigured said:
I can't imagine how many gallons of vodka a hundred million pounds of potatoes would make lol
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Find a Russian, he will tell you. The Mennonite colony always had me bid on their buildings but just used my bid to beat down next guy. After 3rd time I told them to forget it. The amount of waste potatoes they had was staggering. Mountains. I do not know where they all went but in spring they would be gone. Maybe livestock feed, pigs?
 
Mike1950 said:
Ryan , you might change yor mind if like Tom they were attracted to the wiring in your car, I think the bill on his truck and car was in neighborhood of $10K. Those kind of numbers can change your outlook on things. they breed to food supply.
Western red pine squirrel is only squirrel that is native here. Some moron released a few invasive grey squirrels in late 60s. So far they seem to stay close to cities, otherwise the reds are doomed. The reds are about 1/3 the size of a grey. Greys are agressive and reds timid. end result is no more reds. Now if I lived a little further out I would have score card on my wall, I did for the skunks.
But then again the skunks presented a different problem. They dug up streets to in sewer which disturbed the dens in the culverts that never see water. go outside in the early morning and sit down to have coffee and watch the skunks stroll across backyard. Got so Bad that Kathie had to be very careful in her gardens.
I grew up on farm, neighbor paid cousin and I to trap skunks, she had 100s of chickens and they were eating half or more of eggs. Gramps taught us to trap without getting sprayed. June paid us per skunk. this supplied us with 22 shells for summer. 1 den 30 skunks. next 18.
in my back yard we put a pile of bird food-took screen off window. First thing in morning check pile- trusty .177 pump pellet gun got 14, they were denned up in my dry culvert. I did not realize at time but 3 neighbors had same problem-different cure. next door-tree hugger paid $50 a skunk to live trap -remove and release elsewhere. probably came back or became others problem. 2 houses from him-live trap and 50 gallon barrel of water and the other neighbor put straw bales in front of shop-bait and shot with 22. the 4 of us all on about a 3rd of our block removed over 50 skunks. I personally only had a problem with the released ones.
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I honestly don’t have a total bill of squirrel damage over the years, but I’ve had 3 different vehicles gnawed on. My current truck has been assaulted 4 times.
 
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