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Those are squash. Don't know the relationship to cheese squash, but I'd be surprised if they didn't share a lot of genes. My guess is they have the same ancestral parentage that probably changed as different regions selected different fruits/seeds from year to year.

There are a lot of ornamental "pumpkins" sold that are in reality heirloom squash varieties from Europe. I've got to try and find time to cook up some of these and compare flavor to Hubbard and the acorn squash I have.
Thanks Tim. Ya, we cooked several of the "blue pumpkins' a few years ago, just like hubbard but a touch more watery and a touch more bland.
 
Great info. Will have to remember to get some of the solid meat variety. Always like the most bang for the vine. These 14 inchers at the local market are only an inch and a half of meat. 2 fifty a piece can help offset that but it's twice the work for the meat.
Our grocer has them at $5-8 a pumpkin. We don't buy any anymore. We grew some at church for the kids. Just watch others now.
 
Just for everyone's reference, the blue ones I grew year before last were "Blue Doll" and the pink ones were "Porcelain Doll". They are edible, but have been selected for better ornamental appeal, and I would guess were the ones Mark tried that weren't as good as Hubbard.

I believe that all the "pancake" shaped pumpkins are just ornamental selections of heritage squash that were originally grown for consumption.

If anyone wants to grow some of these to eat, look for heirloom seeds that may still be sold with their French names. You will still get fruit that can be used for decoration, but they most likely will have superior culinary qualities.
 
I don't sell, just give them away, so really don't follow the market too much. I've seen ones this size listed for ~$15 at stores, but I'm not in town enough to see any turnover.

Friends/family, and friends of friends and family are welcome to come and get them. I only move 15 or so up to the house.

Seed, fertilizer and a little time is all they cost me, and I'd grow this amount even if nobody showed up to get some. In another week or so, I'll start cutting up some of the ugly ones to get seeds to roast.
Never have had enough room to grow some. Best Friend had a turf farm along a big creek. We were going to start trying to grow some of them big un's, but he up and sold the farm. He ain't much of a farmer - about all he grows is money.
 
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pumpkin sales are dramatically down in Las Vegas this year. maybe the tightened economy. pumpkin growers in utah are 50 if not 100's of semi truckloads to vegas behind last years numbers. pumpkins are about $4.25 each wholesale shipped to vegas (1 ton box approx 130 pumpkins $650 delivered) pumpkins are not selling at smiths grocery, rotting in the boxes at home depot and Whole foods. Walmart gets theirs out of Manteca CA just lowered their price in las vegas stores to $3.78 each
Same here - even gourds have not moved this year.

Our new stray rescue along with a gourd. Name? Stormy Noir! She's dangerous to have around while walking to the loo at night - can't see her!

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Never have had enough room to grow some. Best Friend had a turf farm along a big creek. We were going to start trying to grow some of them big un's, but he up and sold it the farm. He ain't much of a farmer - about all he grows is money.
I would need to clear about 2/3 acre of wood stash to have room for a good gourd/pumpkin bed. Since I live on 2/3 acre lot....
 
I would need to clear about 2/3 acre of wood stash to have room for a good gourd/pumpkin bed. Since I live on 2/3 acre lot....
Nah, you only need to clear about a 5'x5' area to plant them. They'll vine and put down roots wherever they want. Of coarse, they will also climb anything vertical and cover every square inch of space for about 30' in all directions. The downside is your wood stash will be unavailable nearly all summer and fall. The upside though is your mowing, etc will be cut in half. :wink:
 
The guy who grew the one I posted is on instagram - and he shows much of what he had to do to grow a big-un.
 
Nah, you only need to clear about a 5'x5' area to plant them. They'll vine and put down roots wherever they want. Of coarse, they will also climb anything vertical and cover every square inch of space for about 30' in all directions. The downside is your wood stash will be unavailable nearly all summer and fall. The upside though is your mowing, etc will be cut in half. :wink:
Room isn't a big concern for me but I grew some bush Decicata squash this year that saved quite a bit of room. They probably took up around 150 sq ft and I'm guessing we got around 4 bushel , I sold a bunch, gave away as some, froze some and still have quite a few. Yeah 5x5 has the potential for a substantial amount.
 
Still have potatoes in the ground, squash and a few Brussel sprouts, but the end is near. Possible frost tonight and definitely tomorrow.

Picked what peppers I still want to do something with yet. Need to chop and freeze the bells, will make a pint or two of pickled jalapenos for Christmas gifts and will smoke, dry and grind the hot peppers for atomic chipotle.

Also picked some Winesap apples for a friend who wants to make some sauce. Still have a few bushels on that tree, but will only pick them as needed or wanted.
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Frost last night and freeze tonight. Grabbed a couple Hubbard and another bushel of Stayman Winesap apples. Probably another 4 bu on the tree yet.

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For the weeds, I use a pre plant application of metolachlor (Dual II) and then just before they start to vine, I use buckets to cover the plants and spray glufosinate. Then, lots of hoeing for escapes.

I use a systemic insecticide (imidacloprid) at planting. That really helps with squash vine borer, cucumber beetles and other pests for a good part of the summer. Late in the season I'll use bifenthrin. If anything is a problem during bloom, I'll use Spinosad which is safer for bees.
Since your reply, there's been a lot of discussion about vining squash (Hubbard, etal). I forgot to ask, when you spray, do you have to spray the underside of the vines/leaves? My Mom always use to do that and it's quite a pain.

I tried to grow Zuchetta and butternut on a vertical panel (cattle panel) trellis, which didn't work too well. Next year, I'll convert the panels to hoop or arch trellis, like you did for your beans. The Blue Hubbard, I'll just let run over the ground like others do (and spray).
 
Since your reply, there's been a lot of discussion about vining squash (Hubbard, etal). I forgot to ask, when you spray, do you have to spray the underside of the vines/leaves? My Mom always use to do that and it's quite a pain.

I tried to grow Zuchetta and butternut on a vertical panel (cattle panel) trellis, which didn't work too well. Next year, I'll convert the panels to hoop or arch trellis, like you did for your beans. The Blue Hubbard, I'll just let run over the ground like others do (and spray).
I don't really spray under the leaves, but I do kind of spray sideways to the plants so you do get some bottom coverage. I use "Solo" pump sprayers and I use as high a pressure as you can get and also use the disc core nozzle for the finest droplets possible. It's almost a fine mist and you get pretty good coverage.

If you don't have a disc core and just have the screw adjustable nozzle, screw it down to get as fine a droplet as possible.

One thing you want to focus on though, if you are spraying for squash vine borer, is to focus your spray down in around the main vine. They lay their eggs on the stems and you need insecticide coverage there to control them.
 
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