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Question Of The Week.... ( 2026 Week 21 )

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Well they did have better steel if you compare older tools to newer Chinese slop but modern powder metallurgy is classes above older carbon or simple alloy steels.
You are absolutely correct about the steel itself, though I'm less certain the right steel is matched with the right tools (given less and less focus on hand toools these days). Hand tools are either mass-produced with a focus on maximizing margin with cheaper components - or they're made by boutique companies for folks with deep pockets (Bridge City Tools comes to mind).

In the plane world, for example there are certainly a few high-end tool makers (LN, Veritas, etc.) still making good products and using exceptional quality materials. I have an LN block plane that I really like, but I much prefer my old Craftsman (and clone) planes simply because the steel (while technically inferior) is perfectly designed for the work. Hard enough to hold an edge well (though not as well as the new stuff), but thinner and lighter and so much easier to sharpen. I'd rather spend more time working and less time sharpening, and the good, old stuff hits the right balance where I'd have to spend a lot more time (on the whole) with newer, harder metals.

Saws are another example - I don't have any interest in another hard steel hand-saw. The idea of longer-lasting sharpness/teeth is attractive on the surface, but makes the tools impossible to sharpen myself with a file. And don't get me started on the worthlessness of most modern files.

Agree with Lee when it comes to turning tools - but then I have a decent investment in a nice grinder with CBN wheels so I can sharpen the better steels. If I was limited to stone wheels and an underpowered grinder, I suspect I'd be happier with some of the less expensive grades of steel.
 

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You are absolutely correct about the steel itself, though I'm less certain the right steel is matched with the right tools (given less and less focus on hand toools these days). Hand tools are either mass-produced with a focus on maximizing margin with cheaper components - or they're made by boutique companies for folks with deep pockets (Bridge City Tools comes to mind).

In the plane world, for example there are certainly a few high-end tool makers (LN, Veritas, etc.) still making good products and using exceptional quality materials. I have an LN block plane that I really like, but I much prefer my old Craftsman (and clone) planes simply because the steel (while technically inferior) is perfectly designed for the work. Hard enough to hold an edge well (though not as well as the new stuff), but thinner and lighter and so much easier to sharpen. I'd rather spend more time working and less time sharpening, and the good, old stuff hits the right balance where I'd have to spend a lot more time (on the whole) with newer, harder metals.

Saws are another example - I don't have any interest in another hard steel hand-saw. The idea of longer-lasting sharpness/teeth is attractive on the surface, but makes the tools impossible to sharpen myself with a file. And don't get me started on the worthlessness of most modern files.

Agree with Lee when it comes to turning tools - but then I have a decent investment in a nice grinder with CBN wheels so I can sharpen the better steels. If I was limited to stone wheels and an underpowered grinder, I suspect I'd be happier with some of the less expensive grades of steel.
Well, I will take plane irons as an example.

While modern steels are harder to sharpen, there are laminated blade which make the process very simple. (Thinking dictums japanese paper steel blades)

While older steel is easier to sharpen than modern steel that is mainly due to the difference in carbides and steel toughness (a very complex area that, if someone wants to cover should be covered by reading a book)
This also reduces its edge retention.

For example, CPM magnacut is quite okay to sharpen (yes it’s still harder than an old cast steel knife but it is also 63 hrc while the cast steel knife is about 56) and it has about five to six times the edge retention of the cast steel. Pair that with proper blade maintenance (stropping) and you have to sharpen once every two hours of constant use. The cast steel needs resharpening after about 20 minutes.

The cast steel takes about one minute to sharpen, the magnacut just under 2. Being able to work without being interrupted with sharpening for six times as long is a blessing I am not willing to give up.
 

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Henry ( @SENC ) makes a good point about files. It sure seems like the files I have don't last very long. I can get more action from 80 grit sand paper than I can from most of my files. Now those Japanese rasps are another story.
 

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I'll take a set of old tools with a couple of new substitutes. Never found an old bow! Adze that I like as well as my new one. Also hand saws. Have not found an old saw (but haven't gone for an expensive one yet) that I like as well as the newer ones I've used. I have not become enamored with paying more for the newest steels needing costlier sharpening techniques. Production ain't my gig. Sharpening a little more often is almost enjoyable. Both steels do the same thing - slice wood fibers - essentially the only difference is frequency of sharpening. Lots of really nice things have been made over the decades, even centuries, by people using old tools. Can't say I've seen much better from nowadays, probably quicker though. And all my power tools have cords!
 

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I'll take a set of old tools with a couple of new substitutes. Never found an old bow! Adze that I like as well as my new one. Also hand saws. Have not found an old saw (but haven't gone for an expensive one yet) that I like as well as the newer ones I've used. I have not become enamored with paying more for the newest steels needing costlier sharpening techniques. Production ain't my gig. Sharpening a little more often is almost enjoyable. Both steels do the same thing - slice wood fibers - essentially the only difference is frequency of sharpening. Lots of really nice things have been made over the decades, even centuries, by people using old tools. Can't say I've seen much better from nowadays, probably quicker though. And all my power tools have cords!
I cannot imagine going back to a real screwdriver. Impact driver multitude of bits and bolt drivers. You can put huge set in back pocket. Probably put in 10 screws or more for every hand driven one. Damn engineers are stubborn and hard minded. 😂🤣😅:sofa:
 
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