It seems so to me.
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I downloaded a pdf called
Complete list of Chinese simplified characters∗
Denis Roegel 15 September 2008
It has a huge amount of characters.
I haven't given up...but I'm running out of time for looking tomorrow.
Lot's of stuff to do...but I'd be interested in what he says it is...
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Maybe Mark meant Hanzi which is Chinese not Hanji. Kanji is Japanese writing which is derived from Chinese, so some characters are nearly identical but have vastly different meanings usually. The only character that looks Chinese to me is the upper right one, but it could be Japanese also. Before we try to figure out what those characters mean - we have to know which language it is being written in!
The bottom two I found in the pdf. So I'm guessing chinese. But I could be wrong...
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Here's some typical examples of Hanzi and Kanji saying "My hovercraft is full of eels"....
Chinese Hanzi: 我的氣墊船滿是鱔魚。
Japanese Kanji: 私のホバークラフトは鰻でいっぱいです
We haven't even mentioned the other Japanese writing systems. Hirigana is used mostly for native Japanese words. Katakana is used mostly for foreign words. Again saying "My hovercraft is full of eels".
Japanese Katakana: マイ・ハヴァークラフト・イズ・フル・アヴ・イールズ
Japanese Hirigana: まい・はゔぁーくらふと・いず・ふる・あゔ・いーるず
Japanese Romaji (writing Japanese using Latin script): mai havaakurafuto izu furu avu iiruzu
It's complicated and I don't pretend to know much about it.
Chinese Hanzi: 我的氣墊船滿是鱔魚。
Japanese Kanji: 私のホバークラフトは鰻でいっぱいです
We haven't even mentioned the other Japanese writing systems. Hirigana is used mostly for native Japanese words. Katakana is used mostly for foreign words. Again saying "My hovercraft is full of eels".
Japanese Katakana: マイ・ハヴァークラフト・イズ・フル・アヴ・イールズ
Japanese Hirigana: まい・はゔぁーくらふと・いず・ふる・あゔ・いーるず
Japanese Romaji (writing Japanese using Latin script): mai havaakurafuto izu furu avu iiruzu
It's complicated and I don't pretend to know much about it.
I'm pretty sure it's chinese, because of the link/hint he posted for the pdf...
OK, weighing in. First, it's very complicated. The arrangement of pictographs in archaic forms transitioning from chinese archaic seals to modern Japanese is almost impossible.
See this article about Hanji: http://sealang.net/sala/archives/pdf4/kess1997psycholinguistic.pdf
Marc, you are close, but not there, and likely you can not get there by literal translation.
pictograms work in concert to create overal statements, the way a haiku does in poetry.
Signature seals are yet more complicated in some cases when traditional forms are employed.
Somewhat like using an archaic form of language such as thee and thou, or wouldst thou, etc.
As I stated earlier, Japanese Kanji are derived from Chinese Hanzi. Hanji is a way Hanzi was spelled frequently in scholarly presentations, and today would only be recognized as archaic.
If you want to know the meaning of the seal, take it to an old Chinese man and ask him to read it, and translate it.
No doubt he will become wistful, and with a far off gaze, give you a prosaic answer. Show it to 10 people and you will get 10 answers. Most scholars will get it however.
Oddly, you are close in one way, yet far from the mark in another.
My seal was created by a master carver/seal maker in China by a collector of my work, as a gift.
Mystery solved. Go back to turning.
See this article about Hanji: http://sealang.net/sala/archives/pdf4/kess1997psycholinguistic.pdf
Marc, you are close, but not there, and likely you can not get there by literal translation.
pictograms work in concert to create overal statements, the way a haiku does in poetry.
Signature seals are yet more complicated in some cases when traditional forms are employed.
Somewhat like using an archaic form of language such as thee and thou, or wouldst thou, etc.
As I stated earlier, Japanese Kanji are derived from Chinese Hanzi. Hanji is a way Hanzi was spelled frequently in scholarly presentations, and today would only be recognized as archaic.
If you want to know the meaning of the seal, take it to an old Chinese man and ask him to read it, and translate it.
No doubt he will become wistful, and with a far off gaze, give you a prosaic answer. Show it to 10 people and you will get 10 answers. Most scholars will get it however.
Oddly, you are close in one way, yet far from the mark in another.
My seal was created by a master carver/seal maker in China by a collector of my work, as a gift.
Mystery solved. Go back to turning.
I think so too..japanese characters came from chinese characters ...
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Ah so! I never saw that link.
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NO sir, the mystery is not solved. What the heck is the translation?
Read article 4 time then discuss Daniel-san.
Looks like I'm having chinese food for lunch tomorrow.....
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Looks like I'm having chinese food for lunch tomorrow.....
I'm going to borrow my neighbors hovercraft and eat some eel.
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When you see a road sign, which is logographic you don't need to think about it, it just means a certain thing which is understood. A curved arrow means a curve in the road. Simple. When you see 4 signs, such as stop, railroad crossing, caution, must stop for railroad tracks, a specific image is immediately formed in the mind.
There is no need to think it, it is a tacit communication of images.
If you don't know what each sign means, you can't know what the whole story or picture is.
Go to Belgium or Luxembourg, or Germany, get on the autobahn, and with no familiarity of the language or any knowledge of the signs, driving will be difficult. It is the same for understanding such iconographs.
There is no need to think it, it is a tacit communication of images.
If you don't know what each sign means, you can't know what the whole story or picture is.
Go to Belgium or Luxembourg, or Germany, get on the autobahn, and with no familiarity of the language or any knowledge of the signs, driving will be difficult. It is the same for understanding such iconographs.
No I'm gonna watch a movie with the wife and let Marc figure it for me.
Maybe I'll just keep it to myself.....neener neener neereeeer.
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