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Basket Bowl at The MET NY x Tim @trc65 Illusion Basket

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It's a good thing I'm a woodturner, otherwise, I'm not sure if be able to resist trying my hand at basket weaving!

Somewhere in here should be the joke of the star college athlete upping their GPA by taking the basket weaving class. :ohno:

Although obvious differences occur in materials used by region, I also find it interesting to see the different methods of weaving, as well as shapes of finished vessels. The coiled baskets (with rounded shapes and bottoms seem to have originated, and are somewhat unique to, southwestern North America while other regions seem to have flat bottoms with both rectangular and rounded sides. Vessels originating from the Southwest also seem to have mostly open tops while most examples from other regions have a lid of some sort. Perhaps no lids were needed in the arid southwest, but other regions needed lids to keep rainfall out? I'm sure it's not that quite that simple, and there were many different uses based on regional diet, but still an interesting point to ponder. I'm sure there have been many anthropological studies that would answer these questions, but pondering these questions for a short while is much more enjoyable than doing a deep dive into published studies.

Regardless, my thanks again to Arn for posting these pictures, it is a great resource to have close at hand.
Tim @trc65 - I put this up for reference and actually all these are “associated parts” in the exhibit narrative. There is a cohesive relationship and connection with the art and crafts in the culture and their heritage “as a whole” that when summed up becomes monumental. This was one of the well curated exhibits (Art in Native America) in the museum- this specific exhibit is very transparent (literal and non literal) with very diverse crafts. You would have to see it in its entirety to make sense of it in a universal whole. I am going to spread the actual exhibit in its rightful thread and link it back here for reference and point of context. They made and crafted beautiful things that weren’t extravagant like most other decorative arts period, but elegant, practical and functional- like “functional works of art”.

Arn
PS- these might not be baskets, but the art form itself gives you an encyclopedia of ingredients, methods, construction, application and use of different colors/color schemes and materials. Those you can take and use it in other art form as form of inspirations.
 
@Steve in VA was re- reading the thread and just realized I didn't get back to you about the threads at the AAW site.

The last post in this thread has links to the various discussions on ink pen choice. One of them shows how Bill Boehme (and me copying Bill) sands the nibs to a spear point for the Copic pens.


No worries and thanks again Tim for the info! I just placed an order for the FC pens and both Blick and Jerry’s don’t have nearly the selection they once did. It looks as if I’m going to need to switch over to the Copic sooner or later.
 
Copic may not be a good option either. Very few places carry the superfine nibs. Just went searching and the place I bought them from is out of business. Found only one other place that lists them and they are out of stock. I've got an email notice set if they come back into stock. Otherwise, the only option with Copic is the "standard fine" nib which would need a lot more sanding as it appears to be about twice the size of the superfine. I'll have to look through my supplies tonight and see if I still have an original standard fine nib to play with.
 
Copic may not be a good option either. Very few places carry the superfine nibs. Just went searching and the place I bought them from is out of business. Found only one other place that lists them and they are out of stock. I've got an email notice set if they come back into stock. Otherwise, the only option with Copic is the "standard fine" nib which would need a lot more sanding as it appears to be about twice the size of the superfine. I'll have to look through my supplies tonight and see if I still have an original standard fine nib to play with.
We may to take up basket weaving 🤣
 
Arn and Tim - I thought I'd share this as a source of inspiration for you both. I use it quite often and frankly just enjoy flipping through the pages.

 
Thanks Steve, some great images, as well as tribal info that will be useful for future projects.

@Mike1950 take a look at the link above on page 51. There is an Apache basket/platter that IMO is very similar to yours in construction. Varies in petal number (auctioneer calls them stars) between the two, but the stick figures are similar in their simplistic rendering and the rim is a simple black/white banding. There may be more examples, but I stopped when I saw the one similar to your wife's.
 
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Arn and Tim - I thought I'd share this as a source of inspiration for you both. I use it quite often and frankly just enjoy flipping through the pages.

That is fantastic! Back in college, I would go to a book store called Strand by Union Square and I would peruse through their auction magazine catalogs for sale (interior design related like period furnitures and accessories)- Sotheby’s and Christie’s auction listing’s on specific period of someone’s collection, etc. They had great pictorials of each objects and just like the spread in that book you posted, but these object’s were never published as these were from someone’s collection.
 
The photos you've been posting are perfect for how I use them. In fact, they are 10 times better than most pictures I reference for patterns. The books I have date from the early 1900's with photos that are at most subpar.

To adapt patterns I typically count the rows of coils, then extrapolate a width to maintain
proportion among the elements. Then I usually rough sketch a pattern on graph paper to verify my guestimates. The rest is all done with a pencil, straight edge and a pair of dividers on the beaded bowl. Learned after the first couple I made that trying to measure was a waste of time, and much less accurate than using dividers to lay out the elements.
I see no pic in 51
 
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That is fantastic! Back in college, I would go to a book store called Strand by Union Square and I would peruse through their auction magazine catalogs for sale (interior design related like period furnitures and accessories)- Sotheby’s and Christie’s auction listing’s on specific period of someone’s collection, etc. They had great pictorials of each objects and just like the spread in that book you posted, but these object’s were never published as these were from someone’s collection.
I wanted to all share this as this was I am referring to above. These auction houses would create a catalog or an actual book to show the items listed for auction. I am not sure if they did away with that now with the ability to go digital. Just keep in mind that most of these are from private collections and most have not been published in a book, so the objects here most likely have not been available for public viewing. They do have dimensions. Scroll through the lot listing and you’ll see a lot more. You can click on each item on the lot listing to get more info. Sotheby’s to me has better format (more and better photo’s) compare to Christie’s- IMO.

Sotheby’s:

Christie’s:
 
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